Forgive me.. but what are the most popular turbocharger brand names?...

[UsMuScL398]

Id rather ask questions and look like a moron than be quiet and fcuk something up. But hey if u wana think ur know everything you go right a head and be as cocky as you want. This guy wants to know the truth and when someone says something wrong correction is needed. But i dont have to defend the kit. It does itself. But hey you know everything so let him talk to you :rolleyes:

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
But i dont have to defend the kit. It does itself. But hey you know everything so let him talk to you :rolleyes:

You're right, you don't need to defend the kit. This is a forum where people often times express their opinions. All he did was give that opinion, and that does not make him ignorant. Take a look at other car forums. When someone argues against the purchase of a Vortec kit, no one jumps right in and starts calling people ignorant. If someone tells someone else not to buy nitrous, 12secondV6 doesn't come in here and call anyone ignorant... But why oh why is GN-T66 ignorant for telling someone that the FFF kit probably isn't for them? interesting isn't it? Then, when i point out that you are in no position to call someone ignorant, it's because i'm cocky. You, my friend need to take a step back and calm down. This is the real world where people have views that aren't the same as yours. If someone says they don't like the FFF kit for ANY REASON, that doesn't mean that you need to rush to the aid of your precious kit.

[UsMuScL398]

i called him ignorant for past comments just as u did me. And its just as if someone where to say "camaros suck" would you not defend it, or do u not have any pride. I have pride in what i will soon own.

EDIT : The reason for ignorance

but it is poorly built and offers little practicality

Tiago proved the praticality in your call out thread....but ill drop it all together...though i do think its funny how u 2 must bash in the same thread [img]smile.gif[/img]

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
first Im not gonna bash you again because your ignorant, but if hes into looking at kits the FFF kit is a good choice, though this isnt the "ultimate" kit, for what your getting it is a good deal. Second the exhaust on the FFF kit can be routed to a catback (if you want more backpressure than open downpipe) THought the clearance in them is pretty low, the spot wher its lowest is at the k-member, and unless your a moron goin 15 over a speedbump, isnt a problem. Though it has been done with the FFF kit with no problem. Can say ne thing bout the 6 month thing but i do kno it had to do with the shop welding the parts inccorectly i belive.

Thx [img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img]

So you are labeling me ignorant simply because I have a negative opinion about the FFF kit? Wow, that shows somes true maturity on your part :rolleyes: As I have said, these are my opinions, and in my opinion the ground clearance sucks, and the lack of any kind of exhaust makes it not a complete bolt on kit (as in you have to do alot more fabrication to get it to be street legal) This may be a big concern for people that live in emissions areas.... that increases the cost of the kit for them, to have an exhaust shop make a downpipe, especially if they have them make a mandrel bent one. It's clear where your loyalties lay, as with many other members of this site. shame their isnt some competition for FFF, I think you'd see alot of changing attitudes, and alot more people willing to speak out.

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
This guy wants to know the truth and when someone says something wrong correction is needed. But i dont have to defend the kit. It does itself. But hey you know everything so let him talk to you :rolleyes:

the truth according to who? you? judging by the questions you ask, your level of turbo knowledge hardly qualifies you to make a determination of whats truth and whats not. And either way, it would be your opinion of what someone else said was wrong, which isnt necessarily right or wrong. And defending the kit is exactly what you're doing. And the kit doesnt defend itself... when all the customers have their kits, and are all happy, and all putting down good numbers... that would be the kit defending itself.... and as far as I know, nobody has a complete kit. have a good nite! [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
i called him ignorant for past comments just as u did me. And its just as if someone where to say "camaros suck" would you not defend it, or do u not have any pride. I have pride in what i will soon own.

EDIT : The reason for ignorance </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> but it is poorly built and offers little practicality

Tiago proved the praticality in your call out thread....but ill drop it all together...though i do think its funny how u 2 must bash in the same thread [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]I never bashed anything in this thread, so i don't know where that came from. People say Camaros suck all the time... do you think i argue with every single one of them? Not hardly.

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
I have pride in what i will soon own.

yeah, just a couple more weeks... just a couple more weeks, just a couple more weeks

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
Tiago proved the praticality in your call out thread....

please direct me to where tiago PROVED the practicality of his kit.. just because the prototype drives around on the street doesnt prove anything..... and I could do a ten minute long burnout in my mom's jeep cherokee if I wanted, so videos of big burnouts dont impress me in the least, and they dont say anything of how practical something is

[UsMuScL398]

http://www.camarov6.com/ubb/ultimate...4;t=001654;p=3

EDIT : well also wats your definition of pratical


and on the loyalty matter...it is also odvious you have a biased opinion againist the FFF kit...

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:



and on the loyalty matter...it is also odvious you have a biased opinion againist the FFF kit...

And it's obvious you can't handle someone saying something you disagree with. Loyalty is one thing, but a cult following like you are displaying is another. Heaven forbid someone dislikes the FFF kit. Get over it.

[UsMuScL398]

Disliking is one thing, Talkin bad is another. learn the differnce (notice how the facts stated by me other than praticality, an opinioned based matter was not argued :rolleyes: )

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
http://www.camarov6.com/ubb/ultimate...4;t=001654;p=3

EDIT : well also wats your definition of pratical


and on the loyalty matter...it is also odvious you have a biased opinion againist the FFF kit...

having to go over speedbumps at a crawling pace is not practical... not being able to pass emissions without several hundred dollars of modification (to a proclaimed "bolt on" kit) is not practical.


To the original poster, sorry your post has gotten off track, I simply stated my opinion of a kit that you might buy, and someone came in and started insulting me because of my opinion... oh well

[UsMuScL398]

Ya lets get back to the topic before its closed

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
Disliking is one thing, Talkin bad is another. learn the differnce (notice how the facts stated by me other than praticality, an opinioned based matter was not argued :rolleyes: )

As i said before, get over it.

[Arctc Wolf]

ok, time to clear up a few issues. The FFF kit is a good place to start. Yes, there are areas for improvement, but there isn't anyone else out there producing a kit for our cars that is as close to bolt-on as the FFF kit. Yes, there are clearance issues with the pipe routing on the kit. bear in mind that it is based w/ the space provided with the stock K-member. The BMR k-member as well as the PA k-member for our cars provides 3-4" more of room for pipe routing in the header area alone. Pictures of these k-members on LS1 cars show a large area where the exhaust piping could be routed above the k-member. This would clear up the clearance issues that have been brought up.

WHy didn't FFF just make the kit fit those k-members? that's because the k-members are 500 a pop, and would add to the kit cost, which could drive away people who'd really wanna get the kit.

as far as emissions. since each state has different laws on the subject, you can pass emissions as easily as just getting it looked at to see if there's any ses codes. if there's not, u pass. some states are like that. some don't even need you to go to a referee. in those states, the kit will "pass emissions". In states like california, my air lid wouldn't let me pass emissions. I'd fail the visual inspection before they ever stuck the sniffer up the tailpipe. Saying the FFF kit can't pass smog is a subjective statement that doesn't help ur argument, since it's way to generic, and is wrong in some circumstances.

Maybe next time, when you say something is bad, u should explain ur reasons why u think that. same goes with why something is good. No one will learn anything if you don't explain urself, especially in this case since the person who started this thread is trying to learn and understand.

In my opinion, the FFF kit is a good starting point for a turbo kit. It provides a good base that can be built on in the future, and changed to fix any shortcommings that the driver may feel could be made better. When I purchase a kit from FFF or Tiago, it will not be this kit, but will be a kit or setup based on their design, since I want more from my car than what the stock kit can provide. i will go to them and have them fabricate a pipe leading back over an aftermarket k-member. i will have a larger turbo than what comes w/ the kit. i will want to try to fit a front mount intercooler behind my bumper w/ my front plate cut out and the bumper support removed. I might want custom turbo headers made to shorten the exhaust path. These are just things that i will approach them with, because it's what I want from the kit. if any of you get the kit, u may be happy with it or u may wanna change it a little because of little quirks u have about it. it doesn't matter. it is a fuctional kit. it is another path to take. you don't have to go this route if u don't want to. Help educate others to let them make their own decisions about their cars.

[hou-tex-six]

Originally posted by GN-T66:
it does offer good gains, and isnt badly priced, but it is poorly built and offers little practicality with no provision for any kind of exhaust, and very little ground clearance. And it takes 6 months to a year to get one. Just my opinion though

Since you are expressing your opinion id like to ask what you base your opinion on? Being as I don't think you've seen production peices, I'd like to know where you derive your assumption (opinion) that it is "poorly built". Secondly I'd also like to know if you got a time quote for a full price kit at 6 months to a year wait time?

I would agree that the FFF kit might not be the best kit for someone looking for a moderate performance increase, show car looks, and ease of use/install. A powerdyne kit will probably do them fine.

Happy times cutting up the frame big guy.

Cp

[Mighty Thor]

Can't go wrong with Garrett. But you should concern yourself more with the proper size. FFF kit seems to have the upper hand in that.