Forgive me.. but what are the most popular turbocharger brand names?...

[T-Punk]

what the hell happend to this thread! i left it last night with some info and a guy to contact for questions and i come back to a pissing contest. good god. why is it that any time someone asks about turbos it has to get so violent. Now honestly, Do you think someone new to turbos can fab out there own kit? look Deoxyribonucleicvitriol here is what i recomend to you so you can have a reference other than on this site, get the book "maximum boost" by corky bell and the book "turbochargers" by Hugh MacInnes. i found maximum boost to be the best place to start, and turbochargers to get a little more advanced in turbo selection and all the math involed in turbocharging. as for the FFF kit... i cant say anything for the build quality yet but i think it is probably decent, it does have clearance issues (f-bodys are so low and the engine compartments are so cramped i dont see a strucurally sound and easy alternative to how the kit is routed), but it is inexpensive, ant the parts used are pretty good. im not saying that it is the best turbo kit in the world, hell if it was i wouldnt bother making my own. Also i am in no way affiliated with FFF nor am i a close friend of anyone involved with it.

[Tiago]

Originally posted by GN-T66:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Deoxyribonucleicvitriol:
I just want the kit all nice and tidy.........All I need is that tiago kit right?

If you want something that is nice, tidy, and looks good too, FFF (tiago) is not the kit for you. it does offer good gains, and isnt badly priced, but it is poorly built and offers little practicality with no provision for any kind of exhaust, and very little ground clearance. And it takes 6 months to a year to get one. Just my opinion though

disclaimer: this is a forced induction forum, where people share their opinions on forced induction kits/subjects. and since FFF is not a site sponsor, opinions should be able to be posted about that kit (good or bad) without posts being locked by someone who shall remain nameless who has a conflict of interest as a forced induction moderator, but again, I wont say who. </font>[/QUOTE]ground clearance with the kit is better then any lowered car would have. ~1.5-2 inches less then stock is all. IF this is such a "bad" design I wonder why companies like Turbo technologies, Redline and others are now copying the setup we pioneered over 2 years ago. I guess they aren't worthy either.

Your solution to ground clearance is the clearest definition of NON PRACTICAL I have ever seen. Noone wants a kit that they have to chop up their frame on. Tubular K member is the only way to have your cake and eat it too here, but not everyone wants taht added expence. Compromise.

then there is always teh issue of fabrication. you just can't get through your thick skull that I don't make the pipes, a shop does them and they don't look like the prototypes which I did make.

every thing you criticize about my kit is without foundation because you have never seen a production piece, and to top it off, plain wrong or untrue. (basically you are talking out of your ***)

I didn't delete or lock any other posts fyi. If you ever have any valid or non bs arguements against my kit then we can discuss them.

[ June 28, 2004, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Tiago ]

[Speed]

[quote]Originally posted by GN-T66:

If you want something that is nice, tidy, and looks good too, FFF (tiago) is not the kit for you. it does offer good gains, and isnt badly priced, but it is poorly built and offers little practicality with no provision for any kind of exhaust, and very little ground clearance. And it takes 6 months to a year to get one. Just my opinion though

Thanks for your opinion however I would like to take the opportunity to respond...
The FFF kit does look good, is tidy and nice and clean. Allow me to elaborate...

The exhaust routing and turbocharger positioning were designed with three things in mind. Performance capabilities, ease of installation, retaining stock accessory location. I don't know if you've actually been under one of these cars before, but there isn't any room to route the exhaust above it without deleting and/or relocating accessories. This kit allows you to retain all the stock functionality of your car. Everyone wants everything for nothing however something had to give. Loosing no more than the ground clearence a set of sportlines would cost you, the problem was solved by this routing.

As you mentioned, we offer good gains (actually the best gains in the market) and we do so for a reasonable price. Our kit offers a good balance for the majority of the people out there which is what we worked hard to achive.

Turn around time is a pita however it's not outside the industry. Every vendor out there has experienced delays. Unfortunately, that is part of doing business.

[Speed]

[quote]Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:

Being the most expensive doesn't guarantee anything, nor does the "bang for the buck" argument which gets thrown around so much on this site. Here are the things to look for in a kit: Build quality, warranty, name brands.

Bang for the buck is another way of saying "best value for your dollar". Which our kit is...

[quote]Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:

Look at the overall quality of the kit and decide for yourself if it's good enough for you. Look at how the piping is run, look at the quality of craftsmanship involved, look very closely at everything.

I agree. Quality work in production, plumbing, parts used, etc all make a good kit. Our kit exemplifies these by using completely mandral bent tubing fabricated from the prototype peices by a professional tube bender with professional equipment. Weld quality is excellent and the plumbing is strong. I've detailed about how our pipe routing offers a balance of factors.

[quote]Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:

Warranty is very important, because it shows a company is willing to stand behind their work. If there is no written warranty posted anywhere, you might want to think about going to a different company.

Yes it does! That is why we warrent our components for 90 days. In this case that is from the date we ship the last part to ensure people have coverage. This goes above the norm as most popular turbocharger kit builders warrent their pipes and leave all other componant warrenties to their original manufacture. That proves we are willing to stand behind our work...

[quote]Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:

Name brands go without saying. I think we can all agree it's better to spend $500 for a Garrett turbo than $250 for a nameless turbo from "Earls Backyard Turbo Farm."

I don't know if you are getting your turbos from Earl's or not, but our turbochargers are built from brand new Garrett parts.

[quote]Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:

If you're going to take advice from someone on which kit to buy, make sure that someone actually HAS or once HAD the kit they're pushing you to get. That eliminates the possibility of you buying a crappy kit because someone was trying to help a friend make another sale.

This thread is full of your advice about the FFF turbo kit. You and the GN guys (who registered this month, also from Colorado like yourself), have made your opinions perfectly clear and given your "advice" on this kit. Now how many FFF kits have you owned that qualify you to give a poor rating of the kit. After all, you say above, to only take advice from those who "HAS" or "HAD" the kit. Now if you can qualify your negitive remarks based on what you have read, seen in pics, heard, etc, then why can't someone offer positive remarks based on the same?

[quote]Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:

EDIT: When you saw that they said "Good for 850 hp!" Just ignore that part. As stated by Corky Bell in Maximum Boost"All Kit makers will represent their kit as the most powerful. Absolute power is the last reason to make a decision." Personally, i lose respect for a company when they make statements like "No one has accomplished what we have" or something along those lines.

Good for 850hp could mean that in an ideal situation, with everything perfect, the kit could support 850hp. It's not hard to make an educated guess. For our kit, we've published the results and the parameters. As far as "No one has accomplished what we have", whats wrong with that if it's true?

I'm not sure where your lack of respect or your desire to chase us around the message board posting your "opinions" comes from but it's fine with me. I'll check your responses from time to time and if you can manage to come up with a point, I'll respond then. Enjoy!

[Drone51]

im asking a quesiton i feel is relevent


what has the fastest fff v6 turbo car run?


ill answere 13.5


- I did delete that post, that kind of crap will not be tolerated.

[ June 28, 2004, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: Tiago ]

[Tiago]

btw yes the fastest so far is a 13.5 but we don't have enough cars out there yet to get more results. We will have to wait.

btw I don't see how that is relevant to the discussion at hand anyway.

[hawgs]

How about Teufel goes to the track and gets a number... then that number can either bash or prove FFF's kit. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Easy as that. 13.5 isn't hard to beat.

[Tiago]

Originally posted by hawgs:
How about Teufel goes to the track and gets a number... then that number can either bash or prove FFF's kit. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Easy as that. 13.5 isn't hard to beat.

Obviously you don't know anything as well.
Not going into that.

It wont proove or disproove anyhting except that they put a good package together. Wont be comparable to my results till we actually have more data to compare with comparable cars/setups.

[Speed]

Originally posted by hawgs:
How about Teufel goes to the track and gets a number... then that number can either bash or prove FFF's kit. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Easy as that. 13.5 isn't hard to beat.

I have a better idea! Since Teufel's kit is a custom, one off kit with things like a notched k-member and other items not practical for a production kit, why not race something of mine that is also a custom, one off turbocharger system also not practical for production? We'll both run Series II V6s. The computer will also remain unmodified!

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by Speed:
Bang for the buck is another way of saying "best value for your dollar". Which our kit is...

I agree. Quality work in production, plumbing, parts used, etc all make a good kit. Our kit exemplifies these by using completely mandral bent tubing fabricated from the prototype peices by a professional tube bender with professional equipment. Weld quality is excellent and the plumbing is strong. I've detailed about how our pipe routing offers a balance of factors.

Yes it does! That is why we warrent our components for 90 days. In this case that is from the date we ship the last part to ensure people have coverage. This goes above the norm as most popular turbocharger kit builders warrent their pipes and leave all other componant warrenties to their original manufacture. That proves we are willing to stand behind our work...

I don't know if you are getting your turbos from Earl's or not, but our turbochargers are built from brand new Garrett parts.

This thread is full of your advice about the FFF turbo kit. You and the GN guys (who registered this month, also from Colorado like yourself), have made your opinions perfectly clear and given your "advice" on this kit. Now how many FFF kits have you owned that qualify you to give a poor rating of the kit. After all, you say above, to only take advice from those who "HAS" or "HAD" the kit. Now if you can qualify your negitive remarks based on what you have read, seen in pics, heard, etc, then why can't someone offer positive remarks based on the same?

Good for 850hp could mean that in an ideal situation, with everything perfect, the kit could support 850hp. It's not hard to make an educated guess. For our kit, we've published the results and the parameters. As far as "No one has accomplished what we have", whats wrong with that if it's true?

I'm not sure where your lack of respect or your desire to chase us around the message board posting your "opinions" comes from but it's fine with me. I'll check your responses from time to time and if you can manage to come up with a point, I'll respond then. Enjoy!

I'm not sure why you decided to pick apart my post and turn it into an advertisement for your kit. In that post i was giving advice which is true for ANY kit purchase from ANY kit company. The fact you saw the need to defend your little kit from things said in the post you quoted only makes your insecurity shine through like a beacon.

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by hawgs:
How about Teufel goes to the track and gets a number... then that number can either bash or prove FFF's kit. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Easy as that. 13.5 isn't hard to beat.

13.5 is a pretty fast time up here at 5800ft, actually. But track times don't really prove anything. With the stock tune and stock engine, the power production can only go so far, and you can only turn up the boost so high. Both cars (at sea level) are more than capable of reaching 12s anyway.

[Drone51]

then why hasnt tiago hit 12's he lives in houston which is like what 20 feet above sea level

[Tiago]

because stuff breaks. ;)

not to mention you are comparing 3.4 with a 3.8

[Speed]

[quote]Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:

I'm not sure why you decided to pick apart my post and turn it into an advertisement for your kit. In that post i was giving advice which is true for ANY kit purchase from ANY kit company. The fact you saw the need to defend your little kit from things said in the post you quoted only makes your insecurity shine through like a beacon.

Insecurity? ROFL!!! You come here and follow me onto other boards and trash my product with no merit or foundation for your accusations and my responding to your false claims makes me insecure! I think it's your lack of ability to state anything valid that makes you try to resort to an attack on me personally. What you said about advice for ANY company was actually telling the thread starter not to listen to people with no experience with a product giving a recommendation for it. I simply said, by your logic, not to listen to people with no experience with a product given advice against it.

What's worse is that I always thought you were cool on this board until you started chasing me around the internet. So here another set of insecurities for you...

Why don't you bring your little turbo car with it's chopped k-member and exhaust routing derived from my design and run my turbo car. If you want to talk sht about peoples stuff, be prepared to back it and I haven't seen anything more than words from you so far. If you want to clear this up and make things right, then say so right here and make your intentions known.

[Tiago]

HAwgs don't get yoru panties in a bind. after all I was refering to the fact that you don't know what it takes to get my car to run as fast as it has and to go faster. You DONT know that, because it wasn't easy and wont be easy to go faster not in the form it was at the time anyway.

[ June 28, 2004, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: Tiago ]