Forgive me.. but what are the most popular turbocharger brand names?...

[ReodDai]

So if track times don't prove anything then what does? lol Just curious.

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by Speed:
Insecurity? ROFL!!! You come here and follow me onto other boards and trash my product with no merit or foundation for your accusations and my responding to your false claims makes me insecure! I think it's your lack of ability to state anything valid that makes you try to resort to an attack on me personally. What you said about advice for ANY company was actually telling the thread starter not to listen to people with no experience with a product giving a recommendation for it. I simply said, by your logic, not to listen to people with no experience with a product given advice against it.

What's worse is that I always thought you were cool on this board until you started chasing me around the internet. So here another set of insecurities for you...

If i recall, the only thing i've said to you on this or other boards was in reference to the length of time it has taken for customers to get their kits.

Of course i'm going to tell someone not to listen to a product recommendation from someone who doesn't use that product. Look at it this way, I have Pace Setter headers, so why should anyone listen to anything i say about buying RK Sport headers? A more valid rec would come from someone who USES RK Sport headers... you see what i'm getting at? That argument applies to so many other scenarios, not just you and your kit. As far as i'm concerned the only credible recommendations will come from the FFF customers who have, and love their kit. I'm sure they will all be happy, and when they come out and tell everyone else to buy a kit too, thats when people need to start listening.

I simply said, by your logic, not to listen to people with no experience with a product given advice against it.

Why don't you look in that post again and see where i told someone not to buy the FFF kit. In fact, if you reread the first paragraph, you'll see i told him to decide FOR HIMSELF if a particular kit was good enough for him. Nowhere did i say anything about not buying the FFF kit.

Why don't you bring your little turbo car with it's chopped k-member and exhaust routing derived from my design and run my turbo car. If you want to talk sht about peoples stuff, be prepared to back it and I haven't seen anything more than words from you so far.

There's the insecurity i'm talking about ;) That's the last resort of anyone on the internet "Oh yeah?! Well lets go race!" Good job. In all actuality, i'd love to race you, but i'm sure you noticed i live in Colorado, not OK. Then the accusations that i stole your precious little ideas. Like i said to Tiago, there are only so many ways you can run turbo pipes when simplicity is the main goal. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and that's what my pipes do... they go straight from the headers to the turbo. it doesn't get any simpler than that. If you think running pipes like that is your ORIGINAL idea, you're sorely mistaken. There are so many cars in this world with pipes run in the exact same fashion, there's no possible way they all stole their ideas from you.

[ June 28, 2004, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: Teufel Hunden ]

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by Tiago:
ground clearance with the kit is better then any lowered car would have. ~1.5-2 inches less then stock is all. IF this is such a "bad" design I wonder why companies like Turbo technologies, Redline and others are now copying the setup we pioneered over 2 years ago. I guess they aren't worthy either.

Your solution to ground clearance is the clearest definition of NON PRACTICAL I have ever seen. Noone wants a kit that they have to chop up their frame on. Tubular K member is the only way to have your cake and eat it too here, but not everyone wants taht added expence. Compromise.

then there is always teh issue of fabrication. you just can't get through your thick skull that I don't make the pipes, a shop does them and they don't look like the prototypes which I did make.

every thing you criticize about my kit is without foundation because you have never seen a production piece, and to top it off, plain wrong or untrue. (basically you are talking out of your ***)

I didn't delete or lock any other posts fyi. If you ever have any valid or non bs arguements against my kit then we can discuss them.

your arguements are some of the dumbest I have ever seen. Everytime something bad is said of your kit, you call all cars! And get all your little supporters in here. First off, nobody has copied any of your designs, teufel hunden or otherwise, so get over yourselves.. you havent pioneered ****. I was there when teufel started his kit, and we had never even been to your site, so you keep going with that arguement. and you guys keep bringing up th k member. his chopped k member is just as strong as a factory unit, because it has been boxed and rewelded. If you knew anything about how tats done you would understand what I'm saying. Maybe your production pieces are nice, but I havent seen them, and none of the owners have them! Just wait until you try to sell any turbos in any other markets other than V6 f body, where the owners of those vehicles will tear you apart. In fact, they already do... your products are not spoken highly of anywhere I go, except here :rolleyes: All the GN guys think you're a joke. V8 guys already have good kit options.. I'd sooner buy an STS turbo that your product. Once again, if you were a good business person, you wouldnt respond to anyhting said on this site about FFF.. you'd let the people that have one do the talking..... oh wait.... nobody has their stuf yet :( but I know..... it'll be just a couple more weeks... just a couple more weeks

[Machiavelli]

What purpose is all this *****ing hope to accomplish?

[Speed]

[quote]Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:

If i recall, the only thing i've said to you on this or other boards was in reference to the length of time it has taken for customers to get their kits.

Of course i'm going to tell someone not to listen to a product recommendation from someone who doesn't use that product. Look at it this way, I have Pace Setter headers, so why should anyone listen to anything i say about buying RK Sport headers? A more valid rec would come from someone who USES RK Sport headers... you see what i'm getting at? That argument applies to so many other scenarios, not just you and your kit. As far as i'm concerned the only credible recommendations will come from the FFF customers who have, and love their kit. I'm sure they will all be happy, and when they come out and tell everyone else to buy a kit too, thats when people need to start listening.

Why don't you look in that post again and see where i told someone not to buy the FFF kit. In fact, if you reread the first paragraph, you'll see i told him to decide FOR HIMSELF if a particular kit was good enough for him. Nowhere did i say anything about not buying the FFF kit.

I'm not accusing you of trashing the kit in that post on this thread. Unwarrented, you have protrayed the kit in a negitive light previously. Further, I was only agreeing with you. You said that someone who doesn't run RK Sport headers isn't in a good position to recommend RK Sport headers. Simply applying the same logic on the reverse image of that senario is to say that someone who doesn't run RK Sport headers most likely isn't the prime candidate to recommend against the headers. That logic applies well to both Colorado residents on this thread.

There's the insecurity i'm talking about ;) That's the last resort of anyone on the internet "Oh yeah?! Well lets go race!" Good job. In all actuality, i'd love to race you, but i'm sure you noticed i live in Colorado... a couple of states away from where you are.

If it supports your ego to say that defending myself against your accusations is a sign of insecurity, then so be it. That's kind of like saying someone wrongly accused of a crime is insecure because he defends his case instead of hoping the prosecution fails in theirs...

Also, perhaps you missed the common theme on this forum, racing is why this forum exists. hawgs volunteered your car to get a number to compare to an FFF kit so I took it just a step further and called you our for a run. I'm not here on the board saying lets meet after school and duke it out. The best way to end a bench race is for each racer to bring the best they have and see which one brings more! I highly doubt that if I met you face to face that the conversations would go this way in person. More over, I believe it could be a fun competition culiminating at a near by tavern where the looser swallows his pride while buying the winner a beer. Also, being two states away, I'd come 1/2 way to run you. I believe Tulsa is about 10 hours from Denver so a meeting in Kansas would probably suit us. Although I didn't notice where in Colorado you live. Perhaps the Glennwood Springs area? If so then meeting for a race might be more of a logistics nightmare than anything.

[quote]
Then the accusations that i stole your precious little ideas. Like i said to Tiago, there are only so many ways you can run turbo pipes when simplicity is the main goal. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line, and that's what my pipes do... they go straight from the headers to the turbo. it doesn't get any simpler than that. [\QUOTE][\qb]

Those comments were intended specificly to be illogical with the hopes that you would see that bashing our kit in public doesn't make sense. What do you have to gain or loose by what the kit does. So I have to question your motives. From past experience, I would say that you have a similar design but might be trying to prop yours up as being better engineered than our kit for whatever purpose that serves for you. I've seen people do it time and time again and unfortunately it's a sad fact of life in the internet message board world.

[qb]
If you think running pipes like that is your ORIGINAL idea, you're sorely mistaken. There are so many cars in this world with pipes run in the exact same fashion, there's no possible way they all stole their ideas from you. Also, if it makes you feel any better, i drew up the plans for the pipes in my car in June of 2003 while i was in Kuwait (no internet access), shortly after i came out of Iraq.

I doubt I'm the first one to do it but I'm the first one I've ever seen. And I've been actively building f-bodies before the internet had message boards commonly available. Back in the days when a bullentin board might advertise 10 MEGS OF TEXT AND PICS!! It's funny that you were deployed when you came up with the idea. While serving in Sarajevo in 96, I was going over a bunch of literature and pics of the new OBDII LT1 Trans Am I wanted so badly and detirmed that design being the easiest to install. Whether or not we were the first to come up with it I don't know/care. But I've been messing with turbochargers and f-bodies for quite a while and it's the first I've seen it. Really I'm not worried about people using the ideas. You can't stop people from doing it.

[Speed]

[quote]Originally posted by GN-T66:

your arguements are some of the dumbest I have ever seen. Everytime something bad is said of your kit, you call all cars! And get all your little supporters in here. First off, nobody has copied any of your designs, teufel hunden or otherwise, so get over yourselves.. you havent pioneered ****. I was there when teufel started his kit, and we had never even been to your site, so you keep going with that arguement. and you guys keep bringing up th k member. his chopped k member is just as strong as a factory unit, because it has been boxed and rewelded. If you knew anything about how tats done you would understand what I'm saying. Maybe your production pieces are nice, but I havent seen them, and none of the owners have them! Just wait until you try to sell any turbos in any other markets other than V6 f body, where the owners of those vehicles will tear you apart. In fact, they already do... your products are not spoken highly of anywhere I go, except here :rolleyes: All the GN guys think you're a joke. V8 guys already have good kit options.. I'd sooner buy an STS turbo that your product. Once again, if you were a good business person, you wouldnt respond to anyhting said on this site about FFF.. you'd let the people that have one do the talking..... oh wait.... nobody has their stuf yet :( but I know..... it'll be just a couple more weeks... just a couple more weeks

but, but but, *tears*, you are talking sht about us defending our products for flamers like you and you are on here defending teufel's kit, a kit that isn't even yours? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black. GN guys think we are a joke? Mirror mirror on the wall......

If we were good business people we wouldn't respond to people talking sht? Sorry, I don't know to many people that would let their blood, sweat, and tears be trashed for no reason. About the best you can come up with is the turn around time and for the life of me, I don't see what you have to gain by this other than a poor attempt at an ego trip.

[DavidSiri]

Originally posted by GN-T66:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tiago:
ground clearance with the kit is better then any lowered car would have. ~1.5-2 inches less then stock is all. IF this is such a "bad" design I wonder why companies like Turbo technologies, Redline and others are now copying the setup we pioneered over 2 years ago. I guess they aren't worthy either.

Your solution to ground clearance is the clearest definition of NON PRACTICAL I have ever seen. Noone wants a kit that they have to chop up their frame on. Tubular K member is the only way to have your cake and eat it too here, but not everyone wants taht added expence. Compromise.

then there is always teh issue of fabrication. you just can't get through your thick skull that I don't make the pipes, a shop does them and they don't look like the prototypes which I did make.

every thing you criticize about my kit is without foundation because you have never seen a production piece, and to top it off, plain wrong or untrue. (basically you are talking out of your ***)

I didn't delete or lock any other posts fyi. If you ever have any valid or non bs arguements against my kit then we can discuss them.

your arguements are some of the dumbest I have ever seen. Everytime something bad is said of your kit, you call all cars! And get all your little supporters in here. First off, nobody has copied any of your designs, teufel hunden or otherwise, so get over yourselves.. you havent pioneered ****. I was there when teufel started his kit, and we had never even been to your site, so you keep going with that arguement. and you guys keep bringing up th k member. his chopped k member is just as strong as a factory unit, because it has been boxed and rewelded. If you knew anything about how tats done you would understand what I'm saying. Maybe your production pieces are nice, but I havent seen them, and none of the owners have them! Just wait until you try to sell any turbos in any other markets other than V6 f body, where the owners of those vehicles will tear you apart. In fact, they already do... your products are not spoken highly of anywhere I go, except here :rolleyes: All the GN guys think you're a joke. V8 guys already have good kit options.. I'd sooner buy an STS turbo that your product. Once again, if you were a good business person, you wouldnt respond to anyhting said on this site about FFF.. you'd let the people that have one do the talking..... oh wait.... nobody has their stuf yet :( but I know..... it'll be just a couple more weeks... just a couple more weeks </font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry to say, but you are most likely one of the most ignorant people I HAVE SEEN in a while. The kit is very practical. It is also very professionaly built. The piping in pictures or my car does not have good welds because we were doing garage welding with no oxygen or any other form of booster.

I have never had a problem with my kit in......5 or 6 months now? You guys say ground clearance is horrible, I say the stick up your *** is horrible. I do not have a single dent in ANY of my pipes, and my driveway is VERY steep.

You really need to research stuff before you go running your mouth on a board. People like you need to sit back and read instead of posting ignorant BS like this.