Has anyone acctualy tried installing a GTP supercharger??

[Jerriko]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreGone:
i dont think I would have that hard of a time relocating the MAF/TB

AGAIN!! dont want "it wont fit because.." posts..

I tried it and &lt;insert real problem here&gt;<hr></blockquote>

Umm, I have tried it. I parted out a 97 GTP and had the actual motor in the engine bay of my car. The inlet for the supercharger sat 2" from the firewall. Secondly, you can't put the M90 on a motor that was not originally supercharged. The compression ratios between the supercharged and non-supercharged engines are different. A 3800 (not originally supercharged) with a M90 on it will not last 6 months. This has been tried too many times by people with Grand Prix GTs and the motor ALWAYS died.

[GTPprix]

While I know this HAS been beaten to death, if your interested in plopping an M90 (not of the FWD variety) let me know. I'm more than willing to help out anyone on here who's willing to take on the project [img]smile.gif[/img] I actually sold a Holden L67 M90 to someone here on the forums, but I haven't heard a peep from them in awhile, I wonder if they got disinterested?

For a little more background, check out this thread: http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...c&f=4&t=000969

As far as an L36 with a L67 Heads and other misc parts blowing up engines everytime. We have actually had great results with the stock 3.8" pulley with no problem on premium fuel, and a 3.4" with a little bit of fuel enrichment.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

I dont think it will blow the motor.. I dont plan on running huge amounts of boost.. probably only like 4-5 lbs.. tops.. due to the lack of intercooling/forged internals ect ect..

thanks for the feedback guys..

the holden blower looks like a good / woekable option..

yes my car is a 2000 so it is drive by wire.. which meens i can located the TB almost anywhere.. I would probably like to try and make it so it bends back into the engine over the valve covers.. yes, I will need o relocate dto coil packs.. and remove the EGr stuff.. that thats not a huge issue.. and somewher in that bend put the TB.. and then run the pipe into the stock lid.. thats like 3 bends total.. and a brake for the TB and maybe some way to support it..

dosent seem like a big deal..

anyone have some pcitures of the holden SC?? is the intake manifold different then the GTP's?

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

hmm.. kinda wish i could find a ****ed up blower housing and a manifold.. so i could mock all of this up.. that way i wont be wasting money..

is the oulet on all of the m90's the same?? cause i can think of a few other cars with m90 varients that may be better suited to work with our configuration..

any luck finiding that document merlin?

[Jerriko]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreGone:
I dont think it will blow the motor.. I dont plan on running huge amounts of boost.. probably only like 4-5 lbs.. tops.. due to the lack of intercooling/forged internals ect ect..

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Well, good luck with that. If you don't believe me, get ahold of Charles at Digital Horsepower. He will explain it to you. Higher compression + boost = bad.

[Riles]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jerriko:


Well, good luck with that. If you don't believe me, get ahold of Charles at Digital Horsepower. He will explain it to you. Higher compression + boost = bad.<hr></blockquote>

Are you arguing that our compression ratios can't handle boost? Tell that to the many guys (including me) who are running boost on the stock compression ratio- more boost than allthegoodnamesaregone is planning on running.

I think it was Mighty Thor that has been running boost for 5 YEARS and still hasn't blown up his engine.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but that info does not apply in this case.

[Jerriko]

Actually, it does. If you plan on running a stock 3800 without either reducing its compression ration or strengthening the low end, you will greatly reduce the life of your engine. Period.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

thank you, i am aware that running boost will not be "good" for the motor..


HOWEVER! there are plenty of people on this board running much more then 4-5 lbs.. thus this dosent deter me.. Please people try to be constructive..

again.. anyone have a lead on a jacked up GTP blower i can test fit with??

anyone with a GTP here in MD willing to let me take some measurments??

anyone with some good ideas to hellp me pull this off??

I am not taking no for an answer this go round.. I will either find out "why"... or.. be the luckyest man alive..

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

http://www.magnusonproducts.com/mp90.htm

is the current gtp blower an M90.. or an MP90??

also.. looking at those diagram can anyone confirm that the unit itself is a standard 90 serise blower? everything except the inlet on the back..

anyone see major problem with this??

hmm.. NM.. dosent looks like a stnadard one from the pics i am looking at..

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[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

allight.. what i am getting at right now is

research / parts

again.. if anyone with a GTP near by MD wants to hang out for a bit.. that would be quite helpfull..

other thing is I really need mor info on the acctual GTP parts..

I am pretty sure all of the gtp's use an M90.. and not an MP90.. except for possibly the 2004's..

next i need ot know about the manifold i shuld be looking for?? are they all the same??

hmm.. erphaps i need to take this over to club gp or something..

[Bradley Palmer]

Number one I am sick of Jerriko messing up this topic on the M90 supercharger. I have tried it. No it will not work (without total customization) The tubing comming of of the charger is what hits the firewall. You also have to buy the GTP heads and intake manifold as well. I took my car to a v-6 guru in houston and he said without really dropping a lot of money like more than 4 g's into the project then its not worth it. And i agree because with 4 g's you can do alot more and get alot more power other ways. But in conclusion i have tried i have the charger and everything and it just wont work.

[Jerriko]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bradley Palmer:
Number one I am sick of Jerriko messing up this topic on the M90 supercharger. I have tried it. No it will not work (without total customization) The tubing comming of of the charger is what hits the firewall. You also have to buy the GTP heads and intake manifold as well. I took my car to a v-6 guru in houston and he said without really dropping a lot of money like more than 4 g's into the project then its not worth it. And i agree because with 4 g's you can do alot more and get alot more power other ways. But in conclusion i have tried i have the charger and everything and it just wont work.<hr></blockquote>

Wow, I must be missing something. You are saying that I am messing up this topic, but you are agreeing with exacting what I am saying. The M90 from the GTP will not work without spending a ton of cash to make it work. And yes, I know that a lot of people on this board are running boost. But what else have they done to their motors. You are talking about boosting a stock motor. You have mentioned nothing of moding the low end or anything else for that matter. Please, you aren't the first person to think of this idea and probably will not be the last. I guess all I have left to offer is that since no one has done it before is not because it wasn't thought of but that it was not successfully attempted. Hey, if you get it to work, more power to you.

[GTPprix]

No, the M90 from a GTP wont work. But an M90 from a Holden L67 WILL.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by GTPprix:
No, the M90 from a GTP wont work. But an M90 from a Holden L67 WILL.<hr></blockquote>


do you think so??

have any pictures.. i ahve only seen one overhead view of that blower..

where am i to get those parts..

the guy at castlemain rodshop may be able to get me one.. but it wont be cheep.. thats for sure..

[GTPprix]

Yeah, I've worked on a program where we built a few of them. To be honest, good luck getting an Aussie M90, unless someone is willing to ship one over for ya! Here is a pic of one of my Aussie M90's.

http://members.aol.com/highpsigtx/holden1.jpg

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