Complete Turbo Pics

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by nocutt:
Well I might as well say my piece 'b4 da lock down'...it certaingly is a very nice fab work...
disclaimer,not meant as a flame: firstly...from the pics you have posted, the hairdrier is in an absolute claustrophobic area, however I am inclined to take your word for it. If you say no problem then...at the track you will see what I mean!?!?
Secondly, maybe we both have a different idea of emissions legality!?!? As far as I am concerned, just because the headers are E.L...doesn't have anything to do with the actual emissions with the drier in the picture...even though your state is not concerned with a "visual"! It would never pass the sniffer with a turbo...and with the specs of your custom unit. ..I know, cold emissions = red flag!
Pls this is not a flame, we are only disseminating facts from fiction...

Ok, i already said this in another post... make sure you read it and understand it this time... MY CAR PASSED EMISSIONS WITH THE TURBO INSTALLED, THEREFORE I HAVE AN EMISSIONS LEGAL CUSTOM TURBO SYSTEM. Maybe we do have different ideas about emissions legality... with my view being the correct one.

You're not disseminating facts from fiction either... you're making statements which do no apply to my car, because it is indeed EMISSIONS LEGAL. I' m not sure why you think it's impossible for a FI car such as mine to pass, but recently a friend of mine with a 760rwhp Blown Mustang passed in the same county as me. I know of a Turbo LT1 locally that has passed emissions for the past 5 years. Hell, there's a roots type blower available for Corvettes that even has a CARB number. Trust me, unless your state bans aftermarket turbos, you should have no problem what-so-ever passing emissions with a cat and full exhaust. Why? Because it's actually very simple.. when the turbo is not producing boost, it's basically just along for the ride, and since i have stock tuning, i essentially have a stock car at that point. At no point during the test did my turbo produce more than 1psi. At such a low boost level, the FMU didn't increase fuel pressure one bit. So i ask you, why should my car be unable to pass emissions?

[ July 19, 2004, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Teufel Hunden ]

[Tiago]

because just because you passed doesn't mean that its LEGAL!

There are plenty of cars out there huffin and puffin the most rotten levels of emmissions out there, but htey "pass" ....every state/county has their own definition, not to even mention the $50 behind the baack pass definition. In cali your car would be dismissed as soon as they popped the hood, who cares what emmissions it actually put out. You still altered the stock catalatic performance of the car.

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by Tiago:
because just because you passed doesn't mean that its LEGAL!

There are plenty of cars out there huffin and puffin the most rotten levels of emmissions out there, but htey "pass" ....every state/county has their own definition, not to even mention the $50 behind the baack pass definition. In cali your car would be dismissed as soon as they popped the hood, who cares what emmissions it actually put out. You still altered the stock catalatic performance of the car.

Ok, it's Emissions Legal in Colorado. And yeah, just because it passed DOES mean that it's emissions legal. you're right, In CA, my car would be dismissed, but i'm not in CA, so that doesn't matter. 90% of all vehicles with mods are up against major scrutiny in CA anyway. And it's perfectly legal to alter the stock catalytic performance of the car as long as you get it certified ;)

[ July 19, 2004, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Teufel Hunden ]

[Tiago]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:
And it's perfectly legal to alter the stock catalytic performance of the car as long as you get it certified ;)

yea but who does that? lol

almost noone

[hou-tex-six]

Only thing worse than a bench racer is a bench dynoer. The number is 287, then it could be as much as 300, then "conservatively" 310... I wish I gained power by grabbing my TI-85.

As for the emissions... of course it is all dependant on the county you live in. If you live in a state/county that doesent use a sniffer you will pass. If you live in Cali they will laugh at you and send you home. If you want to say your car is emissions legal in your county then it sure is, nothing wrong with that. In fact you never claimed it was legal in the entire country so you needent defend this point, just clarify your setup where you live is legal, no argument.

Cp

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by Tiago:
yea but who does that? lol

almost noone

Yeah, i'm just saying it doesn't matter that it's not the stock cat in there because that alone doesn't make the car non-emissions compliant.

But i'm sure one guy might have got his aftermarket cat certified.. :D

One last thing about emissions... if you pass in my county in CO, you'll pass without question in the rest of the state. my county is quickly following the CA method of "cracking down" on modifying cars.

[siracing]

Originally posted by Tiago:
because just because you passed doesn't mean that its LEGAL!

There are plenty of cars out there huffin and puffin the most rotten levels of emmissions out there, but htey "pass" ....every state/county has their own definition, not to even mention the $50 behind the baack pass definition. In cali your car would be dismissed as soon as they popped the hood, who cares what emmissions it actually put out. You still altered the stock catalatic performance of the car.

Tiago I cannot believe your accusations comming from a business owner.
Let us introduce ourselves. We are the shop that did this custom turbo. Sam is a friend of ours, he supplied the turbo and the intercooler, and a few other things and asked us to build, we generally do V-8's but we are always up for the unusual. The car is burning clean with the tune we have in it. It will pass emmissions cleanly in CO. It probably would not in CA as all shops know CA has the strictest emmissions laws in the US. We have not come in here and pulled your kit apart and the dyno graphs we have seen. We are not producing this kit whatso ever so you need not worry. We do custom work and tuning here we don't want to be a mass production facility if a customer came in and asked us to make something work we would. I feel for the money customers are able to make a choice. Also people have their own opinions on everything. We don't get offended by bad comments we learned along time ago to just let it roll it isn't worth it to get all worked up. We give all respect for being ambitious enough to make your kit. Good luck hope everything works out for you. Speed Innovators, LLC. Chris, Steve & Dawn

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

acctualy.. you are wrong again..

I belive the federal law is..

somethint to the tone of yo cannot change the cat from anything but a factory one for anyhting less withe a car with 60,000 miles on it..

that is why you have a longer warentey on emmissions hardware..

its on the epa website somewhere..

so.. technicly no its not legal..

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreGone:


somethint to the tone of yo cannot change the cat from anything but a factory one for anyhting less withe a car with 60,000 miles on it..

Well, my car has 90,000 on it.. so officially, it is legal, and you can put in an aftermarket one.

[wantmorepower]

Why this topic is now focused on "emmissions" i can't figure out.

Teufel do you have a link or something to the shop that put that together for you.

[siracing]

Originally posted by wantmorepower:
Why this topic is now focused on "emmissions" i can't figure out.

Teufel do you have a link or something to the shop that put that together for you.

Actually our website is in the process of being done it isn't up yet though.

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreGone:


somethint to the tone of yo cannot change the cat from anything but a factory one for anyhting less withe a car with 60,000 miles on it..

Well, my car has 90,000 on it.. so officially, it is legal, and you can put in an aftermarket one. </font>[/QUOTE]:eek: 90k

never mind then.. i appoligise..

[CARdiac]

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Wholly crap that is a nice set-up. I like the fact that it is under the car and out of the way.

How much did it set you back? Did you record the curves and did you patent it?

[Tiago]

Originally posted by siracing:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Tiago:
because just because you passed doesn't mean that its LEGAL!

There are plenty of cars out there huffin and puffin the most rotten levels of emmissions out there, but htey "pass" ....every state/county has their own definition, not to even mention the $50 behind the baack pass definition. In cali your car would be dismissed as soon as they popped the hood, who cares what emmissions it actually put out. You still altered the stock catalatic performance of the car.

Tiago I cannot believe your accusations comming from a business owner.
Let us introduce ourselves. We are the shop that did this custom turbo. Sam is a friend of ours, he supplied the turbo and the intercooler, and a few other things and asked us to build, we generally do V-8's but we are always up for the unusual. The car is burning clean with the tune we have in it. It will pass emmissions cleanly in CO. It probably would not in CA as all shops know CA has the strictest emmissions laws in the US. We have not come in here and pulled your kit apart and the dyno graphs we have seen. We are not producing this kit whatso ever so you need not worry. We do custom work and tuning here we don't want to be a mass production facility if a customer came in and asked us to make something work we would. I feel for the money customers are able to make a choice. Also people have their own opinions on everything. We don't get offended by bad comments we learned along time ago to just let it roll it isn't worth it to get all worked up. We give all respect for being ambitious enough to make your kit. Good luck hope everything works out for you. Speed Innovators, LLC. Chris, Steve & Dawn </font>[/QUOTE]I didn't make any accusations, just saying that just because it passed there doesn't mean it will pass everywhere. There is a technicality.

[nocutt]

Teufel,
I apologise! Your car passed emissions according to your county's regulation...at least that is clarified...meaning IT IS NOT A STANDARD! my only point is saying "emissions legal" assumes a lot!
Why is emmission a point here!?!? because several ppl that are delving into this arena will be quickly disappointed, if the rules of SMOG/Emissions are not incorporated into the frame of (their respective) decision(s)...whether to get a blower/N/A or turbo...the later been very difficult to make pass smog*

And also...whether the turbo was putting out boost or not is inconsequential to the referee/emission tech...the turbo alone is a restriction and will remove heat from the system...in effect, giving the CAT a longer time to "light-Off"...So I am assuming your county does not do COLD start emissions...because this is the NO.1 headache a DIY/Tuner has to overcome...

Hope to see you guys post some graphs...I love graphs...sorry [img]graemlins/rock.gif[/img]

[ July 19, 2004, 09:24 PM: Message edited by: nocutt ]