Putting some power under the hood

[YanuzziV6]

Hey this is my first time posting here so I'll start off by saying hello. So anyways I finally got my car and I decided to go with the v6 because not many people have them, so I thought it would be cool. Since my brother has a 94 trans am (with some modifications) I need to be able to show him a v6 can still keep up with his car. I have heard about superchargers and turbocharger kits for my 99 3.8 firebird, so I was wondering if any of you guys know of websites who sell either super or turbochargers.

Thanks.

[97rs4life]

www.rksport.com sell the superchargers

www.forcefedfab.com sells the turbos but I think their site is down right now. Talk to Tiago, he is the maker of the turbocharger.

Do some searches and you will find a lot of info on each as well. Welcome to the boards!

Oh yea, don't forget nitrous! stuffs cheap and will make u hang with the trans am

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by 97rs4life:
www.rksport.com sell the superchargers

www.forcefedfab.com sells the turbos but I think their site is down right now. Talk to Tiago, he is the maker of the turbocharger.

Do some searches and you will find a lot of info on each as well. Welcome to the boards!

Oh yea, don't forget nitrous! stuffs cheap and will make u hang with the trans am

It's going to take all the bolt ons and better than a 75 shot to run with an LT1 or LS1 f body. My LT1 has some minor bolt ons (puts about 300 to the wheels, 6 speed), and I ran a 99V6 camaro, all the bolt ons, gears, shift kit, and a 75 shot, and he didnt have anything for me.... through first gear I pulled him hard, second I put maybe a half a car on him (this was his best gear apparently) and when I went to third it was all over, I started pulling away hard. (the guy I raced is "calvo" on this board...his car had a dyno sheet that said it had 600rwtq ;) ) You can get a V6 to keep up well down low with nitrous, but it'll need something more to run with the V8s at higher speed.

With boost, you'll need 10 pounds or more to do anything with the V8s. With 10 pounds you'll have higher peak numbers for sure, but the area under the curve for the V8 cars will still be bigger, so it takes a good bit more peak numbers to put the hurt on the V8 cars.

then again, my Z28 doenst have anything for my GN anywhere, especially here in Colorado :D

[ August 10, 2004, 02:27 AM: Message edited by: GN-T66 ]

[AllTheGoodNamesAreGone]

nahh.. a stock lt1 with a typical driver will run a verrrrrrry low 14.. or a high 13 second pass.. in non colorado altitudes.. heck.. there is a guy in my car club who is a pretty good verry consistant driver with a full exhaustand intake lt1.. but with poor weather and track prep the other night couldent quite dip into the 14's.. that was the night i made a 14.4.. but my car still has issues to work out..

hopefully in about a week my bolt-on v6 with a mear 5psi will be right in there.. at 10 psi i shuld be able to hang with an ls1.. or a full bolt on lt1 no problem..

[ August 10, 2004, 02:56 AM: Message edited by: AllTheGoodNamesAreGone ]

[Shirl]

It's going to take all the bolt ons and better than a 75 shot to run with an LT1 or LS1 f body. My LT1 has some minor bolt ons (puts about 300 to the wheels, 6 speed), and I ran a 99V6 camaro, all the bolt ons, gears, shift kit, and a 75 shot, and he didnt have anything for me.... through first gear I pulled him hard, second I put maybe a half a car on him (this was his best gear apparently) and when I went to third it was all over, I started pulling away hard. (the guy I raced is "calvo" on this board...his car had a dyno sheet that said it had 600rwtq ) You can get a V6 to keep up well down low with nitrous, but it'll need something more to run with the V8s at higher speed.

I was edging out LT1's with 5 or 6 psi of boost.. he probably didn't know how to drive because if he has a 75 shot of nitrous, it would have been close. LS1 is a different story unless the driver is no good. Nitrous is a lot different from boost. Colder charge + more oxygen= a hard hit of speed. He would have definately pulled on you in first gear or at the very least been dead even. When you say "minor bolt-ons", what do you mean? I don't know of any LT1 with minor bolt-ons that puts out 300 rear wheel horsepower. Did you dyno your car? All things being equal, it sounds as though you have modified it A LOT, in which case, yes, it would take a bigger shot or more modifications than a 75 shot. A V6 with a 75 shot could run anywhere from a low 14 to a high 13 depending on the car and the driver.. What does your car run?

[1DangerousV6]

i got my powerdyne unit (which rocks) from rksport.com ...they gave me a good price (of course thats when John S. was still there) ...or i would check out superchargersonline.com

[1DangerousV6]

PS: when i had nitrous only i used to beat a factory LT1 easy with a 75 - 100 shot (only car weight no system)

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by Shirl:

I was edging out LT1's with 5 or 6 psi of boost.. he probably didn't know how to drive because if he has a 75 shot of nitrous, it would have been close. LS1 is a different story unless the driver is no good. Nitrous is a lot different from boost. Colder charge + more oxygen= a hard hit of speed. He would have definately pulled on you in first gear or at the very least been dead even. When you say "minor bolt-ons", what do you mean? I don't know of any LT1 with minor bolt-ons that puts out 300 rear wheel horsepower. Did you dyno your car? All things being equal, it sounds as though you have modified it A LOT, in which case, yes, it would take a bigger shot or more modifications than a 75 shot. A V6 with a 75 shot could run anywhere from a low 14 to a high 13 depending on the car and the driver.. What does your car run? [/QUOTE]


I love your suggestion that LS1s are different, and are such a huge difference :rolleyes: Calvo's car is an auto, he didnt **** up driving, because any idiot can drive an auto, and at that power level it's a no brainer. [img]smile.gif[/img] He had nothing for me in 1st gear, period. BTW, my car can run with LS1s no problem... up top and down low. As far as my mods, as I already said, they are minor bolt ons. CAI, headers, and catback. I have stock 3.42 gears, stock drivetrain otherwise, no electric water pump, abcolutely no motor work, no RRs, no PCM tuning, etc etc. The Z28 has run 13.2@107 at sea level, and that was decent weather. and that was street trim, with DRs. So I have hardly modified my car "ALOT" :eek: :eek: :rolleyes:

[Ian]

well, the z28 auto i was running at the track was trapping 4mph faster than me consistantly, and ran anywhere from a 13.99 (best run of night) to a 15.5, and was consistantly around 14.4. He had catback, intake, TB air foil, 3.73's in a built rear, and an auto tranny. it was an LT1 Z28.

thats not too impressive to me considering in 1st and 2nd we were both dead even, and 3rd is when he pulled on me.

your Z is runnin good i guess, and you are a good driver, and your mods work well together.

[UsMuScL398]

it is a huge difference...look what you had to do to your car to "run with" a ls1, this difference is deff there

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by UsMuScL398:
it is a huge difference...look what you had to do to your car to "run with" a ls1, this difference is deff there

That's the point he was making.. he hasn't done hardly anything to his car, just the minor bolt ons he mentioned.

I was in the passenger seat when we raced and beat that Nitrous V6 he's talking about. Even with me in the car, we pulled him in 1st gear pretty good. 2nd we pulled him decently, then in 3rd we were screaming away from him. Believe me, the kid didn't screw up because he has an automatic (If you screw up driving an auto, you deserve to be shot), and he was definitely spraying at least a 75 shot. GN-T66s Z28 is not heavily modded by ANYONE's standard...

[YanuzziV6]

Thanks for all your information and help, glad to be part of the v6 community [img]smile.gif[/img] . Another question is will the supercharger from a 1007 fit my car. Anyways since were on the subject of nitrous is it safe to just leave the bottle bolted down to the back seat (just making sure the sun wouldnt cause any problems with the nitrous), and also if that doesnt affect it which would be better wet or dry nitrous?

[ August 10, 2004, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: YanuzziV6 ]

[97rs4life]

I leave my bottle in my car all the time. I do cover it with a blanket to keep it out of the sun though.

As for wet and dry nitrous, do some searches in the nitrous forum to see the differences and which one you think will work best for your needs. There is a lot of good info on each.

Personally I have a NX wet kit, and I love it

[Shirl]

originally posted by GN-T66: I love your suggestion that LS1s are different, and are such a huge difference

They are STOCK vs. STOCK!! [img]graemlins/rock.gif[/img]

Calvo's car is an auto, he didnt **** up driving, because any idiot can drive an auto, and at that power level it's a no brainer. He had nothing for me in 1st gear, period.

I was talking about him screwing up using the nitrous... with a 75 shot, he should be 60footing in the 1.9/1.8 zone.. he probably hit the nitrous late or something... either way, you would have still pulled ahead obviously, and should have put about 8 car lengths on him by the end of a 1/4 mile run .

BTW, my car can run with LS1s no problem... up top and down low. As far as my mods, as I already said, they are minor bolt ons. CAI, headers, and catback. I have stock 3.42 gears, stock drivetrain otherwise, no electric water pump, abcolutely no motor work, no RRs, no PCM tuning, etc etc. The Z28 has run 13.2@107 at sea level, and that was decent weather. and that was street trim, with DRs. So I have hardly modified my car "ALOT"

sorry, I'm not buying into you running 13.2 at 107 with only those "3 mods" unless:
A. your car is gutted
or
B. you have tuning mods or other mods you aren't disclosing. You are saying that you gained about one second and at least 8 mph from a free flowing exhaust? Prove me wrong... please. Tell me about how good the conditions were that day, the other mods you have, how there was a tailwind... anything... ;) [img]graemlins/popcorn.gif[/img]

[ August 10, 2004, 11:20 PM: Message edited by: Shirl ]

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by Shirl:
sorry, I'm not buying into you running 13.2 at 107 with only those "3 mods" unless:
A. your car is gutted
or
B. you have tuning mods or other mods you aren't disclosing. You are saying that you gained about one second and at least 8 mph from a free flowing exhaust? Prove me wrong... please. Tell me about how good the conditions were that day, the other mods you have, how there was a tailwind... anything... ;) [img]graemlins/popcorn.gif[/img]

you're right, I do have other mods...... a throttle body airfoil :eek: ...and.. are you ready for this.... the throttle body coolant bypass... The only mods that make any more power on the car are the headers (mid length AS&Ms), the CAI (moroso) and the catback (borla). my car is not gutted. I removed the spare tire and jack, and thats it. no slicks, no skinnies up front. and Ididnt gain almost one second and 8mph from those mods. the thing you people dont seem to realize is that LT1s, well driven, are 13 second cars right out of the box.. it's been done countless times. patman ran 13.6 in a stock automatic LT1 car... and a couple of folks have gotten 13.5s.... patman trapped 100, and many 6 speed cars have trapped in the 101-102 range. mine was a 13 second car at 101 when it was stock..... and when I ran the 13.2 the DA was near zero. I cant help it if all that you V6 people have raced is slow poorly driven LT1 cars.. not my problem.

And I hate to break it to you, but a couple of LT1 guys have gotten into the high 11s with bolt ons. One of them is SAR2K.. dont know who the other one was... great weather, good track, well set up suspension, but only bolt ons (same as mine+ tuning, RRs, electric water pump, etc) SAR2K trapped 111-112 in louisiana doing it.

Dont blame me because your car was slow as **** when it had bolt ons :D [img]tongue.gif[/img] ;)