Putting some power under the hood

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by Shirl:
originally posted by GN-TV6:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />And I hate to break it to you, but a couple of LT1 guys have gotten into the high 11s with bolt ons.

Ok, enough of the [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] (which you seem to be pretty good at). Here's what it takes to run 11.86 @ 112mph in a 94' LT1 Camaro:

BRE 4-Bolt LT1 383 cubic inches
compression ratio: 11.1:1
Heads: CNC Stage 3
Cam: Crane Cams Hydraulic roller, proprietary specs
Pushrods: Crane
Rocker Arms: 1.6 ratio roller rockers
Pistons: Forged SRP/JE
Crankshaft: Scat large radius
Connecting Rods: BRE 4340 H-beam 3-D
Throttle Body: TPIS 52mm
Intake: Moroso
Fuel injectors: SVO/ 30lb./hr
Ignition: MSD 6AL, Blaster Coil
Engine Management: Ed Wright programming
Exhaust: 1.75-inch Hooker long-tube headers, no cat, 3-inch Flowmaster exhaust, no cat
Transmission: TCI 700 R4, manual valve body, B&M Pro Ratchet Shifter
Torque Converter: TCI 3600 stall
Driveshaft: LPE aluminum
Front suspension: Eibach springs, Koni shocks, no sway bar
Rear suspension: Eibach springs, Hotchkis panhard bar, pass. side airbag
Rear End: 12-bolt Moser, 3.73 gears
Wheels: Cragar Superlite II 15x5.5 front, 15x10 rear
Front Tires: M/T ET Front 28x7.5
Rear Tires: M/T ET Street 26x11.5 </font>[/QUOTE]you're crazy if you think it takes a certain list of motor mods to get into the 11s and thats that. SAR2K got solidly into the 11s in Louisiana in the nice cool winter weather (negative DAs)... he has full exhaust (like me) CAI, 1.7RRs, tuning, bigger throttle body, airfoil, built auto with converter, still the 10 bolt, and ran into the 11s, at ~111 mph. obviously the suspension on his car is setup to do it, and it was on sticky tires. And as for my car, I'm sorry you dont buy it, thats too bad, plenty of guys have done it. my exact power numbers are 291rwhp, 329rwtq, and I assumed you knew I had a full exhaust, but just in case you havent figured it out, I have a high flow cat behind the headers (since I'm being accused of lying and all)...... BTW, why would I lie about this? I have nothing to gain, besides, my V6 car is far faster than my LT1, so why I'm getting jumped on is beyond me.. As I said before, just because the LT1 that YOU worked on was slower doesnt mean they all are. and honestly, my car has average dyno numbers... BTW, AS&M midlength headers flow just about as good as long tubes, such as hooker or FLP or JetHot, so that makes some difference as well.

in what you listed above for that 383 car, the things you have conveniently forgotten, is track prep, atmospheric conditions, driver skill, and how well prepped and setup the car actually is. all these things can effect how a car runs, and admittedly, most 383 NA cars run in the 11s.. BTW, with his trap speed, that motor doesnt seem to be making much power, unless atmospheric conditions were absolutely horrible.

Also for reference.. Joe Overton, in his normally aspirated 388ci LT1, stock suspended 4th gen, recently ran a 9.36@143mph, in a 1500+ DA. this car still has 23 degree LT4 heads (AFRs).. this makes him the quickest 4th gen NA car out there, and that includes LS1s... quickest LS1 NA car is two tenths slower, and has more suspension work. they're expecting 9.1x out of overtons car in good DAs. here's the thread with his times: http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289789

also for reference, here's is my car's dyno sheet, done on a dynojet.
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member...64_18_full.jpg

again, I am not sure why you're so willing to call BS on me here.. all facts I've said so far.... Is it because you are unwilling to believe any LT1 can be faster than the one YOU worked on? or is it because a bolt on LT1 has run as fast as your car, which is perhaps the quickest V6 f body around? that'd piss me off too in that case :D

[GN-T66]

here is a little reading material for you Shirl on LT1s, to get you up to speed:

http://web.camaross.com/forums/showt...stest+bolt+car

and in case you miss it, here is SAR2K's post on his times:

11.94 @ 111.5 on a 1.53 60' at 3510 race weight.
Back when I was all Bolt-Ons. This was back in January of 03. I figured someone would have beat my time by now. Come on bolt-on guys get on the ball!!! ;)
Steve...

[86camarodriver]

siggghhhh


I am sure he did run a 13.2 I have seen plenty of stock 6 speed LT1 cars run a 13.5 with a great driver and great weather. A 13.2 with a few small mods would not suprise me. The worst I have seen a LT1 car run is a 14.3 and that was an A4 2.73 car and the best stock LS1 time I have seen is a 13.0 hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm and an LT1 car is how much cheaper?

Now you guys can bash LT1's all you want or call bs on times but look how much money shrill put into her car, I can run 11's with a good suspension, heads, cam, and tune alone and spend a fraction of that but who really cares?

For any of you that think LT1 cars are "just 14 second cars" find me on the highway at night and I will give you a head start, I am almost stock but once I hit 5k RPM you will be changing your minds, I have jumped half a car lengh on a few 13.8 second cars.....

Before you guys jump the gun do a little reading on what V-8's can do...
I think a few people are just mad that a V-6 with thousands and thousands dumped into it can be beaten by bolt on LT1 cars...

This is the difference in 6's and 8's 6's try sooo hard to run with the 8's and run their mouth on how their bolt on cars run in the 13's or spray into the 13's. 8's just enjoy their cars and can at the very least run 12's on a little over 1k in bolt ons. 6's will allways be playing catch up...

Grow up guys...

[ August 12, 2004, 04:12 AM: Message edited by: 86camarodriver ]

[86camarodriver]

Originally posted by Shirl:
originally posted by GN-TV6:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />And I hate to break it to you, but a couple of LT1 guys have gotten into the high 11s with bolt ons.

Ok, enough of the [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img] (which you seem to be pretty good at). Here's what it takes to run 11.86 @ 112mph in a 94' LT1 Camaro:

BRE 4-Bolt LT1 383 cubic inches
compression ratio: 11.1:1
Heads: CNC Stage 3
Cam: Crane Cams Hydraulic roller, proprietary specs
Pushrods: Crane
Rocker Arms: 1.6 ratio roller rockers
Pistons: Forged SRP/JE
Crankshaft: Scat large radius
Connecting Rods: BRE 4340 H-beam 3-D
Throttle Body: TPIS 52mm
Intake: Moroso
Fuel injectors: SVO/ 30lb./hr
Ignition: MSD 6AL, Blaster Coil
Engine Management: Ed Wright programming
Exhaust: 1.75-inch Hooker long-tube headers, no cat, 3-inch Flowmaster exhaust, no cat
Transmission: TCI 700 R4, manual valve body, B&M Pro Ratchet Shifter
Torque Converter: TCI 3600 stall
Driveshaft: LPE aluminum
Front suspension: Eibach springs, Koni shocks, no sway bar
Rear suspension: Eibach springs, Hotchkis panhard bar, pass. side airbag
Rear End: 12-bolt Moser, 3.73 gears
Wheels: Cragar Superlite II 15x5.5 front, 15x10 rear
Front Tires: M/T ET Front 28x7.5
Rear Tires: M/T ET Street 26x11.5 </font>[/QUOTE]Thats funny if they got all that just to run 11's then something is WRONG, an average driver and track temps with bolt ons, ported heads, cam, 3.73, stock rear, stock trans spraying a 100 shot or so could do an 11, it been done plenty of times, that what I plan on doing, heads, cam, and tune alone will get me into the 12's LOL.

[ August 12, 2004, 11:03 AM: Message edited by: Shirl ]

[CANTONRACER]

I went faster than that with a lot less.

[Shirl]

I don't consider any work done to the motor as a "bolt-on". Sure a V8 can run xxx with ported heads, cam and nitrous.. Also... most racers don't disclose information about their cars in respect to modifications. They say things like: "I ran 11's with 2 bolt-ons!!" So listing other people who you don't know from Joe Schmo next door isn't going to change my mind on the subject. Not to make an example again out of this, but, GN's list of mods gets longer and longer from his original post, which makes me wonder: what else he is not disclosing. At least now the ET is a bit more believable since he listed a few more things that have been done to the car, and was racing at sea level probably on a VERY cold day. It's a good motor. It sounds great. But it's not the God of all motors....sorry.

Now you guys can bash LT1's all you want or call bs on times but look how much money shrill put into her car, I can run 11's with a good suspension, heads, cam, and tune alone and spend a fraction of that but who really cares?

First of all, it's "SHIRL". For someone who knows how to go so fast, you can't read too well, huh? [img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img] And 11's? I'll believe it when I see it. I love people who "talk the talk".

[Shirl]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add... this is a "V6" site (in case you didn't notice).. and since this has nothing positive to do with our beloved 3.8, 3.4 (or 2.8), you can kiss this LT1 "worshipping" thread goodbye! Have a nice day! [img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img]