General information on the shortcomings and usefullness of the sts turbo system

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by viper04af:
i don't care if you don't like/agree with the kit but you don't need to use the word "crapfest"

also Radcat has ahd the kit over a year and has not had only problems hitting the pipes on the ground.

no personal bashing please.

Well I dont care what the hell you want or think. FFF is not a board sponsor, so I can bash them all I want. People do it all the time with STS, and I dont see you complaining about that. You're just flexing your moderator muscles to protect Tiago. Wow, another moderator with a conflict of interest. Maybe you missed the part where as a moderator you are required to enforce the rules fairly and impartially.

FFF KIT IS A CRAPFEST

STOP EDITING MY POST YOU FFF GROUPIE!!!! THIS ISNT A PERSONAL ATTACK. A PERSONAL ATTACK MUST BE AGAINST ANOTHER PERSON, THIS IS AGAINST A PARTICULAR TURBO KIT. ONCE AGAIN SINCE YOU IGNORED IT THE FIRST TIME, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE THE RULES FAIRLY AND IMPARTIALLY. I HAVE THIS POST SAVED, AND WILL REPOST IT AS MANY TIMES AS NECESSARY TO KEEP YOU FROM VIOLATING SITE RULES VIPER

ok fine you have been reported and you can take it up with the admins... have a great day

[ January 13, 2005, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: viper04af ]

[CM boyd]

You really need to check yourself. There is no real need to be so ugly about these turbos. You
can get your point across without all the nastiness. I value your input inspite of the fact
that you seem to knock everyones idea. The kits
can be designed horribly, unreliable, inefficient,
etc and still work for what they are intended to
do. I will leave the "soapbox" alone, and just hope we can all have a good thread without playing
"Jerry Springer" of the internet.

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by CM boyd:
You really need to check yourself. There is no real need to be so ugly about these turbos. You
can get your point across without all the nastiness. I value your input inspite of the fact
that you seem to knock everyones idea. The kits
can be designed horribly, unreliable, inefficient,
etc and still work for what they are intended to
do. I will leave the "soapbox" alone, and just hope we can all have a good thread without playing
"Jerry Springer" of the internet.

I wasnt mad until I was told I cant voice my opinion about a product. I am well within my rights to do so. I'm flaming a company and it's product.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by GN-T66:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by CM boyd:
You really need to check yourself. There is no real need to be so ugly about these turbos. You
can get your point across without all the nastiness. I value your input inspite of the fact
that you seem to knock everyones idea. The kits
can be designed horribly, unreliable, inefficient,
etc and still work for what they are intended to
do. I will leave the "soapbox" alone, and just hope we can all have a good thread without playing
"Jerry Springer" of the internet.

I wasnt mad until I was told I cant voice my opinion about a product. I am well within my rights to do so. I'm flaming a company and it's product. </font>[/QUOTE]you can put your opion in all i care is that you choice different words, its still a personal attack against a person.

STS i didn't see any one call it name, or say coments like you did there just debating it big differeance

[BirdOfPrey01]

STS is not a good design, look how long the pipes are, they go all the way back and come all the way to the front. There is lag, no doubt about it.

STS's kit probably makes good power once the boost comes in.

But the design is pretty over the top on the bad side.

The cat converter does produce alot of excess water and if you read about cats thats what they on purpose.

In the end, $4000 is a joke for the kit.

So far, I have yet to see over $2500 of materials in most aftermarket turbo kits other than lingenfelters twin turbo setups.

The two most expensive parts on a turbo system is the turbo and intercooler.

The piping just isnt that expensive, its simple bending that people all accross the USA do everyday in buildings for all types jobs.

STS should have just built a kit that mounts the turbo in the middle of the hood. Atleast it would be more efficient and make quite a scene at the local car meets. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[nocutt]

If you are going to go as far as say "the STS kit is BAD" then bring proof...not opinion! I don't like the kit personally...because you have to go all the way to the back, bend down to say WOW!! (lol) nothing to do with performance...blah!blah!!blah!!! Most of you guys are 'nittpicking' this issues can easily be corrected...Umm run a test pipe...now the Cat.converter problem has also gone with the wind.... ;)

[BirdOfPrey01]

Nocutt, the kit might be okay for endurance, but i gaurentee the street fun factor is poopy.

S/C LS1's will walk the STS kit all day in most of the 1/4.

I can safely say that.

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by nocutt:
If you are going to go as far as say "the STS kit is BAD" then bring proof...not opinion! I don't like the kit personally...because you have to go all the way to the back, bend down to say WOW!! (lol) nothing to do with performance...blah!blah!!blah!!! Most of you guys are 'nittpicking' this issues can easily be corrected...Umm run a test pipe...now the Cat.converter problem has also gone with the wind.... ;)

I've provided facts many times, but for some reason people never reply to what I say with any good counter arguement. These arent nittpicking issues, they are major design setbacks that cannot be corrected. It's as simple as that. STS problems dont go with the wind... sorry :rolleyes: It's real simple.. boost threshold is soo high, the car spends less time in boost per gear, and is slower. if you run a smaller exhaust housing to decrease spool time, you add a major restriction, and the car falls flat on it's face on the top end. Everything I have brought up has to do with performance. Except maybe the intermediate pipe being 3 inches off the ground... which is just a reliability issue (which, come to think of it, I have also brought up a few of those that you cant get around either)......

[black34v6]

Originally posted by GN-T66:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by viper04af:
i don't care if you don't like/agree with the kit but you don't need to use the word "crapfest"

also Radcat has ahd the kit over a year and has not had only problems hitting the pipes on the ground.

no personal bashing please.

Well I dont care what the hell you want or think. FFF is not a board sponsor, so I can bash them all I want. People do it all the time with STS, and I dont see you complaining about that. You're just flexing your moderator muscles to protect Tiago. Wow, another moderator with a conflict of interest. Maybe you missed the part where as a moderator you are required to enforce the rules fairly and impartially.

************ </font>[/QUOTE]you are.. I much rather have Tiago's under the K member then sacrafice the structural intergrity of my car by chopping up the FRAME like your friend.

FRAME CUTTING IS not the best way to do it Imo

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[ January 12, 2005, 12:24 PM: Message edited by: Shirl ]

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by Russell:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GN-T66:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by viper04af:
i don't care if you don't like/agree with the kit but you don't need to use the word "crapfest"

also Radcat has ahd the kit over a year and has not had only problems hitting the pipes on the ground.

no personal bashing please.

Well I dont care what the hell you want or think. FFF is not a board sponsor, so I can bash them all I want. People do it all the time with STS, and I dont see you complaining about that. You're just flexing your moderator muscles to protect Tiago. Wow, another moderator with a conflict of interest. Maybe you missed the part where as a moderator you are required to enforce the rules fairly and impartially.

************ </font>[/QUOTE]you are... I much rather have Tiago's under the K member then sacrafice the structural intergrity of my car by chopping up the FRAME like your friend.

FRAME CUTTING IS not the best way to do it IMO

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE][img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img] no personal attacks

[ January 12, 2005, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: Shirl ]

[CM boyd]

I would have to disagree. The STS LS1 kit produced more power at less boost than a Vortech
supercharged kit. It is also easier to adjust boost without a pulley. I have to concur on the fact that there is less than $2500.00 worth of materials used in the production of the kit! In fact none of what is used is actually made/manufactured by the company. I calculated about $1800 if you choose to locate the parts by
yourself and make your own. There is nothing really special about the materials at hand.

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by Russell:
I much rather have Tiago's under the K member then sacrafice the structural intergrity of my car by chopping up the FRAME like your friend.

FRAME CUTTING IS not the best way to do it Imo

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

You mean you'd much rather pay money for something and then never get it? Good call on that one! 2 weeks of road course racing the car every day would suggest that the structural integrity of the car is fine. ;) I'd rather have a notched frame than a hole in my checkbook that's nearly $3000 deep and nothing to show for it. :D

[black34v6]

ok so heres the problem with that. you notch your frame, you might not see a problem while driving..but if you get into an accident, you WILL DIE because the frame is structurally unsound. you have just defeated the structural ridigity of the car. way to go

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by Russell:
ok so heres the problem with that. you notch your frame, you might not see a problem while driving..but if you get into an accident, you WILL DIE because the frame is structurally unsound. you have just defeated the structural ridigity of the car. way to go

you have no idea what you're talking about. It has been boxed back in, and wasnt weakened when cut because it wasnt cut with a torch.

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by Russell:
ok so heres the problem with that. you notch your frame, you might not see a problem while driving..but if you get into an accident, you WILL DIE because the frame is structurally unsound. you have just defeated the structural ridigity of the car. way to go

That was the dumbest thing you have ever said. Do you know how the K member was notched? Do you know how it was boxed back in? Have you seen the car in person? The answer to ALL THREE of those is no. Guess what, you can modify things and remake them differently... it's called fabrication, perhaps you're familiar with the term. If you understood how a K-Member is contructed, you'd also understand that the part which was notched is the skid plate portion of it. The top of the k-member does nearly all of the supporting of any type of weight, and that's the portion i left completely untouched. The accident that would kill me because of the notch would have killed me anyway because it would have to be so severe, it wouldn't matter if there was a notch or not. Also, there are things called air bags and safety restraints, you've probably heard of those as well. The K-member is fine, it's been proven by over 6 months of daily driving AND very hard road course racing on a regular basis. You're scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something wrong with my car, and telling me i'll die in an accident is proof of that. So, i say again.. i'd rather have a notch in the skid plate portion of the k-member than have a hole in my check book nearly $3000 deep with NOTHING TO SHOW FOR. You Tiago worshippers never cease to amaze me.

[ January 12, 2005, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: Teufel Hunden ]