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    OKay guys.... i don't know how to say this, but i am just going to flat out say it. I made a huge mistake.

    There was a huge misunderstanding between BIll and I.

    When I asked Bill if the PCM tuning was included in the cost of the kit. He said YES...

    I was talking about the kits I was going to sell to you guys and he thought i was asking about the kit we were making for my car. I am paying an ungodly amount and of course one of the reasons is because the PCM tuning is included in my kit.

    In other words, the PCM tuning is NOT included in the cost of the kit. :(

    HE said he will cut me a brake because it was a misunderstanding.

    So here is the deal. He said he is making the kit so that it will run without PCM tuning. However if you want the full potential tuning is optional.

    For 1996 -1999 cars the price is normally $500.00 However because of the misunderstanding its going to be only $400.00

    For 2000- 2002 the price is normally $600.00 but he is dropping that down to $500.00
    ITs more expensive on the newer cars because there are about 3x as many codes he has to change in order to make it work like the pre 2000 vehichles.

    SO what does this mean. THis means that if you ahve already sent me your money, and you want your money back, I will be gald to refund your $300.00.

    If you are okay with the fact that your car is going to run without PCM tuning, and you still want the kit, then your $300.00 will still go towards the kit that we make and you will still get your $350.00 break.

    SO.... the question I immediatley asked is if the car can run 10lbs of boost without tuning... of course that answer was an obvious NO.

    How many lbs of boost r we going to run on a car without the optional tuning? his answer was 8-9lbs of boost. The s10 stock has a 9lb kit so thats what he wants to do but if it isn't safe, then we will use 8lbs. Again we are testing it on my car to be sure its safe .... so you will get the maximum lbs of intercooled boost to run safely. IF you do get the optional PCM tuning, You will be able to run 10lbs of boost.

    as far as RWHP... we are still aiming for 300hp. When i asked him that question, we were on the same page, so you don't have to worry about that.

    SO what this means is that the remainder price of the kit with the PCM tuning with the $350.00 off is

    $4345.00 for 2000- 2002
    and
    $4245.00 for 1996 - 1999

    If you don't want the pcm tuning and are okay with running 9lbs of boost, then your price is still $3845.00

    I am still working on financing for people who can't afford the kit all upfront.

    So thats the bad news. If you've already paid me or decided to pay me, and want a refund or change your mind, Let me know. INFACT... let me know either way.

    Email: rcheria@hotmail.com & rcheria1@ford.com

    i will need:
    your name,
    Your firebirdv6/camarov6.com ID
    and your address.

    If you pay pal the money, i will pay pal you back through Pay Pal. If you sent me an M.O. i will send you and M.O. back

    Please please forgive me for the mistake.(I knew i should have worn my sonar batman mask instead of the normal one... i can barely hear out of the normal one) If you have any questions let me know

    Sincerly,

    Ryan

    [ April 10, 2002: Message edited by: BATMAN ]</p>
    - Ryan<br /> A.K.A BATMAN<br /> \"Be part of the solution...<br /> Not the problem\"

  • #2
    will he custom tune any PCM for 500 and will he sell the FMU, and the custom intercooler by themselves?

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    • #3
      I don't know about that. I will have to ask him, i don't see why he wouldn't. in my other post there was a link to his website. You should try and contact him with questions.
      - Ryan<br /> A.K.A BATMAN<br /> \"Be part of the solution...<br /> Not the problem\"

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      • #4
        Not a problem at all. I'm still in. Lets say, we get the kit, install it, run with it on 8-9lbs of boost for a while. Then we decide we want the computer tuning so it will be safe to run 10lbs boost. Along with sending in the PCM for tuning what else will be involved?

        Also, I REALLY hope you can find some good financing for us. I have a credit card with plenty room to charge it, but anything beats the 29% APR. :D

        [ April 10, 2002: Message edited by: TheBeast ]</p>

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        • #5
          I'm still in. My money order is on the way.

          Can the PCM tuning be done at some later time? If I wanted to run the 9lbs for a while and get the PCM retuned in a year or something would that be ok?
          Bruce<br />2000 Silver 3.8L V6 Camaro M5<br />183.1 rwhp / 220.5 rwtq

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          • #6
            PCM tuning can be done at any time [img]smile.gif[/img] and the boost can go higher at any time.

            Lets say you get a rebuild done, well you can tune your car to that and you can up the boost.

            WOW i am so happy that you guys arn't mad at me.

            You should have seen my face when i walked out of Bill's shop. A few hairs turned grey and i was so mad at my self thinking that i was going to have to disapoint you (my friends).

            I really really appreicate the support and this is want makes this board a family.

            Thank you
            - Ryan<br /> A.K.A BATMAN<br /> \"Be part of the solution...<br /> Not the problem\"

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            • #7
              So, a few months from now I'd still get the $400 price on the tuning right? What additional parts would be needed for us to raise it from 8/9 to 10lbs? Just a few small Q's.

              Also, this seems like it will work out better for me anyway. I will be able to install the kit and then upgrade with PCM tuning whenever I can go without my car for a week or so.

              [ April 10, 2002: Message edited by: TheBeast ]

              [ April 10, 2002: Message edited by: TheBeast ]</p>

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              • #8
                so wait, if we want our pcm's tuned we just tell you and add the extra amount of money to the total? do we need to send him our old one, or is he going to provide a whole new computer

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                • #9
                  BTW guys.. when i talked with bill about PCM tuning... i found out some more details that might be interesting to you.


                  1) Bill has a GM programmer who worked with / designed the ODBII system. He isn't a joe shmoe who learned the program.. he actually did it.

                  2) did you know that PCMs are tuned differently based on what region you are in? Thats why we get differnt numbers.

                  So when you send Bill your PCM, he requests your Vin number so he knows what region the car was from or intended to be in. HE then programs accordingly... TELL Me that isn't awesome.

                  PLUS.. .the way it works is that he asks you for every mod you have.

                  He will tune your PCM accordingly. Trust me, you get your moneys worth out of it.
                  - Ryan<br /> A.K.A BATMAN<br /> \"Be part of the solution...<br /> Not the problem\"

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                  • #10
                    One quick question. If i was too get the tunning done then added lets say the Super sixx Motorsport head and cam. Whats that do to the tunning?
                    Silver 2000 Firebird A4<br />3.8 A4<br />14.746 @91.98 Feb /03/02<p>1990 Mitsu GSX 5Spd I just got it.<p>Otis for President 04 !!!!!!

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                    • #11
                      batman i don't even have a 3.8 i just would like to say you have done alot for the f-body community and have brought out a awsome setup through hard work and personal dedication i commend you. not only for your work but the way you handle trolls and comments through out the whole thing thanks batman !! :D
                      1998 Jet Black Trans-am M6 T-tops<br />\"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find: knock and it shall be opened unto you:-Matthew 7:7<br />Old car<br /><a href=\"http://matthew27529.tripod.com/getsome\" target=\"_blank\">http://matthew27529.tripod.com/getsome</a><br />NEW CAR<br /><a href=\"http://garnerebel.tripod.com/\" target=\"_blank\">http://garnerebel.tripod.com/</a>

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                      • #12
                        Im still in !!
                        2000 Black T/A M6 343rwhp 349rwtq<br />11.94 @ 118 60\'1.79 Stock Internal<br /><a href=\"http://www.cardomain.com/id/demonicbird00\" target=\"_blank\">http://www.cardomain.com/id/demonicbird00</a> <br />AIM: W68Firebird97<br />R.I.P... Christine 12/25/02 <br />1997 Firebird W68 Black<br />14.887 @ 90.08

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                        • #13
                          god f**kn damnit, i discussed the whole kit and plan to my dad, I am 17 years old and i have the amount of money in my safe in my room..right there waiting to be for the kit. But neither of them want me to spend "That much money" on the kit I AM SOOO pissed. Im sorry BATMAN for acting like i was interested.. i was and if it was up to me I would be on your list but..I guess i cant, and im sorry [img]graemlins/crybaby.gif[/img]

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                          • #14
                            My PCM has been reprogrammed with the info from a different VIN. Does he need my original VIN to download the info onto his programmer, or my "new" VIN? I mean, if he can just take my stock VIN and make the changes for the 3.08 to 3.42 swap then thats fine. I just wouldn't want my PCM to come back with the 3.08 specs. :D

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                            • #15
                              So Batman

                              If they can tune the PCM then what is the need for the FMU?

                              Usually you don't even want to use an FMU if you can use different injectors and change the PCM for the larger fuel injectors.

                              Does this tuning do anything regarding the fuel system? Or is it simple gear ratio and shift points?

                              The powerdyne kit of course only uses an FMU and no computer tuning as well. So if you do not get the PCM tuning that should be no big deal with this kit if it is designed to use an FMU.

                              Any chance they can make it so you do not have to use an FMU ??

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