New V6 ProCharger kit in development

[v6maro]

he runs low 13's, at least that is last I heard.
-Steve

[JVT007]

It depends.. if you are patient u will get a tuned SC from Batman that has taken time and patience that has been designed to work with our engine in mind..


if ur impatient u get one that is rigged to fit. I'd rather wait 10 years for BATMAN.. PCM turning or no... its going to be worth it.. even if u :rolleyes: sayers dont' think so.. GO BATMAN!

[ravenp]

Great work Stefan and Jenn! It's good to see 2 different power adder options for our cars! I only wish it the project wouldn't end up costing me over $5000 Canadian :(

Keep up the good work...the more options we have, the better [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[BATMAN]

AWESOME WORK STEFAN AND PATHOGEN!!! :D
I will be looking forward to seeing the kit at AIS2. I have no idea how they will compare, but it will be interesting to see.

I just want to take a momment to say that if it wasn't for Stefan, i wouldn't be trying to get a kit developed in the first place. Its seeing his car and reading his success that gave me the inspiration and determination to go forward with P1SC kit.

I also want to say that I am definately NOT in competetion with Stefan too. Neither one of us are doing this for the money. Trust me when i say this...getting this kit has cost me more time, money, and peace of mind than its been worth. It has not been easy juggling my schedule between my personal life and this project. The only reason i went forward with it is because i was inspired by Stefan and his vision to offer something of value to the V6 community. The only reason i am going forward with it now is because i made a promise and i intend to keep it. Stefan is a good friend of mine and I have every respect for him at all times and he will always have my support. I am glad to see another kit come out that will give everyone in the v6 community options. I am sure the both of you have everything under control but if you guys need any help with anything, let me know.

p.s. Tealv6,...I want to thank you too. i haven't forgotten the hours we spent in Mike's garage before i decided to go the route with Mach Performance. You've always supported me despite your opinions and i thank you for that.

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[ February 28, 2003: Message edited by: BATMAN ]</p>

[JVT007]

What about me?? :-P

[Dominic]

Well personally I must side with Stefan on this one. From a design point of view ATI has already come up with a working intercooler and plumbing package for the Fbody, and I agree... a few little mods here and there and it'll mount up like it would on a V8 in theory.

The P600B however does require tapping into engine oil does it not? Could the P1SC unit be used in place of the P600B to prevent this? [img]smile.gif[/img] Other than the whole tap into the oil pan issue (which might not be terrible but is a bit of a hassle) it looks great.

Thumbs to batman and stefan, I can't wait to see the results.

[SLOWBRAEATER]

i was gonna go with nitrous but so many say its fake hrsp and you have to go through the trouble and money every weekend filling the bottle the charger is giving power all the time i would rather have power all the time rather than having to flip a switch. plus with the right setup im sure the charger would give just as much power if not morethan nitrous, plus the sound of a blower surpasses the purge of nitrous. stefan would 10.0:1 compression be to much for the charger? around what psi would i be able to run with my forged internals and 10.0:1 cr? thanks

[99CamaroBullet]

I wanna say I support the both of them. They are doing the rest of us a great service in taking the steps to help the community. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Now I am interested in Supercharging my car. I want some final numbers, and costs. Before I decide to throw my hard earned cash into it.
I definitely am a rookie as a tuner, but hey I support the idea of a V6 dominating an LS1. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

[redbird00]

sweet deal, an option on a supercharger... i support the both of you and can't wait to see the results...

merlin

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if any one is interested i found this right after reading this post...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33741

[ March 04, 2003: Message edited by: redbird00 ]</p>

[99redcamaro]

good luck to batman and stefan

[99firebirdconv.]

Stefan - So the supercharger is for an LT1, and it comes with the intercooler right? I see on your car you dont have the stock intake set up with the stock induction box and lid and all. With your kit would we have to mod our intake like yours?? Also the FMU that comes with the ATI charger, is that not for a V8, or would it work for our cars too? Thanks man, keep up the good work. ;)

[imported_admin]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dominic:
a few little mods here and there and it'll mount up like it would on a V8 in theory.<hr></blockquote>

Well, not really, ours mounts on the front of the 3.8 and uses two belts like the GTP, on the LT1 it mounts more toward the top. Our system mounts in the same general location is the Powerdyne 3.8 setup. Consequently, the pipes and plumbing is all original because it's mounted in such a different location from the LT1.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dominic:
The P600B however does require tapping into engine oil does it not? Could the P1SC unit be used in place of the P600B to prevent this? [img]smile.gif[/img] Other than the whole tap into the oil pan issue (which might not be terrible but is a bit of a hassle) it looks great.<hr></blockquote>

We were originally going to use the P1SC for Jenn's car (the new kit's prototype) but after some research we decided to stick with the P600B. The P1SC looks like an attractive upgrade to the P600B initially because it's self-contained and eliminates the need for running oil lines. However, self-contained systems have serious reliability issues when compared to traditional oil-driven units. P1SC owners blow out their seals regularly. The lifespan is shorter, it does not dissipate heat as effectively, and it's quiet. The P600B is ATI's oldest design, the tried-and-true workhorse of their entire model line... it has been hugely successful on thousands of cars worldwide for years. It's by no means a bad charger or inferior to the P1SC in any way. Tapping oil lines can be difficult, yes, but if done properly they won't leak. My car was notorious for oil leaks for a long time before we finally replaced every oil fitting and line in the system last summer... and it's been fine ever since. My original design was pretty ghetto-rigged and the lines just didn't seal because of sloppy workmanship during the install. That is fixed now and it won't be an issue on the upcoming kits.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SLOWBRAEATER:
would 10.0:1 compression be to much for the charger? around what psi would i be able to run with my forged internals and 10.0:1 cr? thanks<hr></blockquote>

Blown cars need low compression, not high compression. Stock for the L36 3.8 is 9.3:1 or 9.4:1 depending on which tech manual you read from. I'm running modified L67 pistons at 8.2:1. Because it's intercooled, you can run our setup to about 10 psi fine on stock pistons as long as you run premium 93+ octane gas. Non-intercooled setups require octane booster and ignition retard to run that high reliably. Running any supercharger on pistons with higher compression than stock would be suicide if you ask me... not even an option.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 99firebirdconv.:
Stefan - So the supercharger is for an LT1, and it comes with the intercooler right? I see on your car you dont have the stock intake set up with the stock induction box and lid and all. With your kit would we have to mod our intake like yours?? Also the FMU that comes with the ATI charger, is that not for a V8, or would it work for our cars too?<hr></blockquote>

The entire intake is different, and that's all part of the kit. It uses a 7" K&N cone air filter mounted under the passenger side headlight. That runs to the charger itself, through the intercooler (included in kit), and then up into the throttle body. Whisper lids, ram air, or other CAI systems would not work at all with this system. If you have a CAI and you buy a supercharger you can sell the CAI (note, I used to have the SLP twin-cone CAI for the 96-97 before I bought my Procharger). FMUs are universal-fit, there's no specific engine application needed. Yes, the kit comes complete with FMU and blow-off valve.

The snow here in D.C. has caused serious delays in our setup... we were supposed to have it ready by now but it's been a rough winter. Target goal is still for it to be unveiled at AIS 2. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Timbo1969]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Stefan:


The entire intake is different, and that's all part of the kit. It uses a 7" K&N cone air filter mounted under the passenger side headlight. That runs to the charger itself, through the intercooler (included in kit), and then up into the throttle body. Whisper lids, ram air, or other CAI systems would not work at all with this system. If you have a CAI and you buy a supercharger you can sell the CAI (note, I used to have the SLP twin-cone CAI for the 96-97 before I bought my Procharger). FMUs are universal-fit, there's no specific engine application needed. Yes, the kit comes complete with FMU and blow-off valve.

The snow here in D.C. has caused serious delays in our setup... we were supposed to have it ready by now but it's been a rough winter. Target goal is still for it to be unveiled at AIS 2. [img]smile.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

I'm just ready for it to be ready, hopefully it will be ready before I do my rebuild, so I'll have another option for added power, that's cheaper than doing an LS-1 swap.

[MustangEater8251]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dominic:
Well personally I must side with Stefan on this one. From a design point of view ATI has already come up with a working intercooler and plumbing package for the Fbody, and I agree... a few little mods here and there and it'll mount up like it would on a V8 in theory.
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I really don't speak out in the forced induction(too much $$$ for me) but from what I have seen this looks like the best alterntive for 3.8Ls.
Sure in the end some other kits that may be produced may be more professionally made and might even put up some better numbers but hten we are getting WAAAAAAY up there in power.

If we all had infinite money to blow we would be spending the big bucks on ls1s. This kit looks affordable, quality built, relatively simple, reliable and will produce some numbers.

If I was looking to get blown(a 3.8L, not me personally) I would look at Stephan's kit.

[imported_admin]

I'm going to lock this thread now. We opened it up to gauge interest and just make some noise; further questions will be answered via private e-mail. We'll post about the kit once the machine shop has the brackets ready to ship.