how much boost??

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by GN-T66:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by viper04af:
lets see HP i can change the re any time i want was i planing on running it at that all the time? no i was gogin to dyno tune the car and see were im making my power first then adjust it from there. the high limiter also lets you shift les time i can ****f into snd at 45 now not 30 and 3rd at like 70-75 no not 55-60.
but you didn't ask that did you you just thought i was some dumb militay guy that bought a buch of parts and put them together and called it fast I NEVER SAID IT WOULD RUN TENS I SAID 10.99 IS MY GOAL and my other goal is 550 RWHP witch i know i can make if the FWD put down 535 RWHP. and A STOCK 3800 PUT DOWN 350RWHP race gas 15 psi boost with only the DIS as a mod and spec stage 3.

Tpunk: i have done everything you siad 57# hour should cover it [img]graemlins/stickpoke.gif[/img]
basicaly my car is sitting there wait for the turbo
i will make that 10.99 sec even if it mean not getting my Z06 next year i will drive the car every day beacuase thats the hole point of the goal

gn-t66 this is my cam grind http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...174_2_full.jpg

the turbo is t3/t4 but i'm going to have to go to a t-66 to supply the motor i think

"thats like say the SPEC stage 5 clutch is not streetable". my *** i love that thing

First off, stop putting words in my mouth and assuming you know what I meant to say.. I said nothing about you being a dumb military guy, In fact, you seem to be the one throwing all the insults here calling me an ******* and ****tard in your initial response. Let's keep this as a nice little debate, and not a flame fest.

Dont quote what other people have done btw, because things dont always apply directly to your setup. what a fwd GTP did doesnt really mean anything, especially if it was with a blower (although at that level I am guessing a turbo).. INteresting that car that put down 350rwhp on a stock motor on race gas at 15 psi. Teufel Hunden put down identical numbers on a stock 3800 with pump gas (91 octane) and 10 psi boost.... says alot about system efficiency, especially since TF's numbers were through a full exhaust, cat and all.

BTW, it is my guess you're going to need more than 550rwhp to make 10s, considering how your car will launch, having to make up for excessive weight, and a compromising suspension. I'm sure you will be able to drive the car daily, but it will be one big rolling compromise. TO me, daily driver means it gives up little if any to factory options and factory driveability. I have no illusions about my GN... I can drive it on the street, and cruise it just fine, but it's no daily driver in my book.

On some other notes.... a SPEC 5 clutch isnt a clutch, it's an ON/OFF switch, and is by no means a comfortable clutch to drive on the street, but the one I felt was a V8 clutch, perhaps the V6 models a wimpier :D Also, I went 10s on my T66, my old turbo.. that T3/T4 cant get it dont on a stock motor in my opinion, so it surely wont support the power you're looking for. A T66 should though. My new turbo is a precision T4 Garret PT-67GTS.. nice unit, good for close to 800hp, or so they say ;)

Viper, you need to change your goal here.... this sint going to happen with a heavy car with an interior, bunch of useless stereo garbage, etc etc. at least for track duty if you want any shot at 10s, take out all that crap, and just put it back in for street duty. With full turbo setup, and all that crap, depending on your weight, you're looking at a 3500-3700lb raceweight, depending on what alot of the particulars weigh in at.

Arctc Wolf (or whatever)... 3800s are NOT honda S2000 motors, and shouldnt be compared to them. 7000rpm is an incredible amount of piston speed in a 3800 engine (piston speed is the key here).. it's too much IMO... piston speed kind of tells you how hard you're working a motor's rotating assembly, to say nothing of the added pressures of boost. remember, factory GM rods are not like aftermarket 4340 pieces... they're either 4130, or 5140, which are lesser forging materials. My guess is the GTP rods wouldnt like it for long.. those power levels and the insane rpms.. </font>[/QUOTE]Y not compare it to the GTP IT's THE SAME EXACT MOTOR!!!!!!!! only it FWD, and yes its turbo.
http://www.intense-racing.com/GTP/TurboGP.html
im done with this i don't need another v8 GN owner telling me it will never happen. y are you on this site any way you dont even have our motor.

[nocutt]

You don't seem to get it? Look at this analogy for example...INTENSE built a turbo car...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a lot of mula was spent on the program, but not enough spent understanding...while I take my hats off do that team...a lot was done in haste to perhaps support business...still nothing wrong with that...NOW look at the STATTAMA/ZZP team...steadilty building momentum!! Their full weight car with ALL stock components is right on the tail of the intense car...BTW you do know the intense car is a RACE CAR...how many intense turbo cars are in the 10's and how many inthe 11's? what about 12's? Now ask that same question about the other team...that really built momentum from trial and error, understanding how things work and important off all using avaiilable GM parts?

Moral of this long winded story? In other to fly, you need to learn how to walk...lol!! And not spout off what others have said? Are you an automaton? Ask for real proof !! If I had that kind of mula to spend, only heaven knows!??! Develop a heads and CAM package, you won't have to rev the car like what its not? whether you have forged materials or not...tensile forces will take its toll on the engine...oversquare engine or not!!

231ci needs @ least 700 horses to accelerate 35xx lbs thru the quarter mile in 10secs... Yes it can be done, but your package is still going the short...more power to you! just open your mind you will see clearly!!

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by viper04af:
Y not compare it to the GTP IT's THE SAME EXACT MOTOR!!!!!!!! only it FWD, and yes its turbo.
http://www.intense-racing.com/GTP/TurboGP.html
im done with this i don't need another v8 GN owner telling me it will never happen. y are you on this site any way you dont even have our motor.

IMO, comparing a FWD Grand Prix to a RWD FBody is an entirely different animal. The physics of everything is different, with only the motor being the common denominator. And stop with your "you're a V8 owner" argument. It's only taking credibility away from your argument, because it's making YOU look like you have nothing else to say. And the part where you accused him of thinking you're a "dumb military guy" is one of the dumber things you've said, because one of his very good friends (me), has been a US Marine for over 4 years now. Besides, you can't expect to post something on the internet without people saying something about it. Look at how many people had stupid stuff to say about my system.... "The turbo is in a catastrophic location...." ..."It'll never pass emissions with the turbo on there...." "the notch in the k-frame is dangerous" But now what... not only does it pass emissions, not only is my serp belt and all the accessories fine, and not only is the K-frame just as strong as before, i'm producing OUTSTANDING numbers at 10psi. Criticism is unavoidable, so getting all hurt about it won't help.

I do agree with GN-T66 on the daily driver part though. I definitely think 10s are capable in one of these cars, but also having it be the daily driver is going to be the part which will keep you from that.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by nocutt:
You don't seem to get it? Look at this analogy for example...INTENSE built a turbo car...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a lot of mula was spent on the program, but not enough spent understanding...while I take my hats off do that team...a lot was done in haste to perhaps support business...still nothing wrong with that...NOW look at the STATTAMA/ZZP team...steadilty building momentum!! Their full weight car with ALL stock components is right on the tail of the intense car...BTW you do know the intense car is a RACE CAR...how many intense turbo cars are in the 10's and how many inthe 11's? what about 12's? Now ask that same question about the other team...that really built momentum from trial and error, understanding how things work and important off all using avaiilable GM parts?

Moral of this long winded story? In other to fly, you need to learn how to walk...lol!! And not spout off what others have said? Are you an automaton? Ask for real proof !! If I had that kind of mula to spend, only heaven knows!??! Develop a heads and CAM package, you won't have to rev the car like what its not? whether you have forged materials or not...tensile forces will take its toll on the engine...oversquare engine or not!!

231ci needs @ least 700 horses to accelerate 35xx lbs thru the quarter mile in 10secs... Yes it can be done, but your package is still going the short...more power to you! just open your mind you will see clearly!!

700 at the motor i will have

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by viper04af:
Y not compare it to the GTP IT's THE SAME EXACT MOTOR!!!!!!!! only it FWD, and yes its turbo.
http://www.intense-racing.com/GTP/TurboGP.html
im done with this i don't need another v8 GN owner telling me it will never happen. y are you on this site any way you dont even have our motor.

IMO, comparing a FWD Grand Prix to a RWD FBody is an entirely different animal. The physics of everything is different, with only the motor being the common denominator. And stop with your "you're a V8 owner" argument. It's only taking credibility away from your argument, because it's making YOU look like you have nothing else to say. And the part where you accused him of thinking you're a "dumb military guy" is one of the dumber things you've said, because one of his very good friends (me), has been a US Marine for over 4 years now. Besides, you can't expect to post something on the internet without people saying something about it. Look at how many people had stupid stuff to say about my system.... "The turbo is in a catastrophic location...." ..."It'll never pass emissions with the turbo on there...." "the notch in the k-frame is dangerous" But now what... not only does it pass emissions, not only is my serp belt and all the accessories fine, and not only is the K-frame just as strong as before, i'm producing OUTSTANDING numbers at 10psi. Criticism is unavoidable, so getting all hurt about it won't help.

I do agree with GN-T66 on the daily driver part though. I definitely think 10s are capable in one of these cars, but also having it be the daily driver is going to be the part which will keep you from that. </font>[/QUOTE]what the diff bettween a daily and a reg car? lol

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by viper04af:
700 at the motor i will have

Depending on the particulars of the T66 you'd be using, it'd be a stretch to get there even on the T66. Also, My GN didnt have 700hp when it went 10s, but it also had the ability to build boost off the line and come out of the hole like an animal. Your car wont be able to do that, so you need more power. I would agree with you needing AT LEAST 700 at the fly to pull it off.. I have serious doubts about your motor and turbo setup getting there. the efficiency of the FFF piping will become a big factor. then you have to worry about putting the power down, and not just in the 60 foot (drag radials aint gonna cut it).

BTW, why have you continued verbally assaulting me, most recently asking me why I am at this website.. You're not responding to my technical observations about your setup, just flaming.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

but it also had the ability to build boost off the line and come out of the hole like an animal..

y not then? ??

Your car wont be able to do that, so you need more power.

again y not? im am getting suspention parts, whats so wrong with my set up?

I have serious doubts about your motor and turbo setup getting there. then you have to worry about putting the power down, and not just in the 60 foot (drag radials aint gonna cut it).
[/QB]

Agian you never answered me, i asked you what you would do different and you just keep telling me its wrong and will not work. there for why i have said the things to you i have, you are offeneding me buy saying everything is wrong insead of telling me how to fix it.. wicth i asked you.
i even showed you my cam grind to look at for you opinon so i have laid everything on the table.

i even asked you how/where to go beaf up my T5 becuase i know it going to need work.... still nothing from your end

so all i am seeing form you is it wont work and the post i asked for your opions you seemed to duck and miss it and find every little thing you can to keep cutting my car down. and its pissing me off, also i'm sorry for calling you those names in the first post.

TH: if i offend you im sorry for that im glad you got all those numbers


look man im 20 years old I am doing my the vary best i can with the funding and information i have or had at the time, i read books and any thing i could get my hands on when when making my cam, i used intense and ZZ (who are partners BTW) because they know alot about these motors.

im asking of you..
1. help me make the best with what i have to meet my goal. 10.99 with the car as it sits (i know i need drags and maybe light front tire my rims added 200 pounds to the car

2. leave me alone and sit back and watch

[GN-T66]

You're not going to build boost off the line like a GN, you simply cant load the motor like a GN with it's auto tranny. You might be able to do better with a two stage limiter and dump near redline, but you're still at a disadvantage. How would I do it? Go look at cams the GN guys are using. Dont rev your motor to the moon (you'll just break it). Stop reading into what two particular COMPANIES are doing with their cars, that doesnt matter. those are shop cars, it's good business for them to tell you to do it they way they're doing it, even though they're working with FWD cars. And I still dont even know if they're doing that on a blower or turbo. Your age is irrelevant, other than the fact that it explains your often immature behavior and responses that demonstrate you have no valid arguement, and are insecure when people tell you that you're wrong. In case you havent noticed, I'm not the only one who is telling you this isnt the way to go, yet you continue to argue with and insult only me. As for your T5, I'm not a mustang expert, but they have plenty of avenues to build them, so finding information about it on the internet shouldnt be that hard with some simple searching. As big a fan as I am of manual trannies (especially in street cars), I'd tell you to put in a built 4L60E or maybe even a TH350/400 if you want to reach your goal.

[T-Punk]

a raptor 4L60E would be a good choice if you get a built auto.