Forced Induction

[StudlyCamaro]

Originally posted by T-Punk:
FORCED INDUCTION
The only kit sold for the v6 F-body is made for the 3800II. It is the Powerdyne kit which is sold by RKsport for about $3700+.

RSM makes a supercharger kit for the 3.4L ;)

[T-Punk]

when did that come out, i have never heard of that. can you give me a link? I want to see what it is like and what the #'s are for it as well as price. i have a friend that might want that. he has something against turbos, he says they are rice, he couldnt be more wrong.

[T-Punk]

now that i found the site for that supercharger i do remember something about it. not a bad price for a vortech kit either. thanks for the info i'll add it to the original post.

[azrscamaro]

i am just pulling some #s out of my !@# but, i think a na internal combustion engine only yields 20 or 40% of the energy it produces in the chemical reaction of breaking down the fuel, in to turning the crank shaft. about 40% is lost in heat and maybe the other 20 is lost to friction. anyhow when you capitalize on the otherwise unused heat and force of the exhaust you are increasing the efficiency of the engine, despite backpressure. so i can imagine that there is a potential for increased fuel economy with the proper setup. however real world #s may yeild littel or no change. but with the use of a more efficient engine you can do the same amount of work with less fuel.

[Mogobs30th]

I think maybe you need to explain in greater detail why the M90 won't work. You simply stated that it "won't work, don't ask". The ONLY reason why it won't work is strictly clearance issues, mechanically the thing can bolt on, with a lower intake from an L67. But like I have said before, I try not to limit myself to what the car will let me do, instead, the car is going to be what I want it to be.

[T-Punk]

More info on M90 added.

[ October 12, 2004, 01:12 AM: Message edited by: T-Punk ]

[Th3 RiCk]

SUPERCHARGING

The centrifugal supercharger is the only feasible type of supercharger to add to a 4th gen F-body. -THE M90 GTP SUPERCHARGER WILL NOT WORK!!!

The amount of time and money that would be required to get this project to work would be ample and would not produce the same amount of power as a centrifugal setup.

It won't work, it will work, it won't work, it will work... This is only heresay, but I believe there is someone on the board who knows someone that has successfully put an M90 on a fbody.

[T-Punk]

yes, it can be done but as i added to my first post it is not easy and requires a lot of money, simple measurements will prove the info about the firewall and the cowl. There is a special m90 that holden uses that gets rid of the firewall issue but the cowl is still a problem (not to mention that the holden M90 costs more and to get it shipped to the states only adds to the cost). The centrifugal is a much more cost effective approach to supercharging your F-body as well as more efficient at adding power.

[Th3 RiCk]

Supercharging Systems

The only kit sold for the 3800 series II F-body is the Powerdyne kit which is sold by RKsport for about $3700+.

Mach Performance

[T-Punk]

Last i heard that kit was still in its beta testing stage. that is why i didnt add anything about that kit. If you have more to add please do, but i need to leave now.

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
It won't work, it will work, it won't work, it will work... This is only heresay, but I believe there is someone on the board who knows someone that has successfully put an M90 on a fbody.

I believe the car you're referring to is an LT1. That's the only FBody i can think of with a roots blower. He's on CamaroZ28.com, but i forget his SN.

[Mogobs30th]

The amount of time and money that would be required to get this project to work would be ample and would not produce the same amount of power as a centrifugal setup.

With an M90, true. With an MP112, FALSE!!! Yes, the money spent would be more than buying a centrifugal, but the power produced by an MP112 compared to most other centri's is greater, if the right setup is attained.

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by Mogobs30th:
With an M90, true. With an MP112, FALSE!!! Yes, the money spent would be more than buying a centrifugal, but the power produced by an MP112 compared to most other centri's is greater, if the right setup is attained.

I think you're being overly critical of his post. Look at it this way: we can all pretty much agree that your typical V6 Camaro owner is not going to spend the money it would take to put an MP112 on their car. Is it possible? yes. Is your average V6 owner going to even bother thinking about it when they find out how much cutting they'd have to do to their car? No way. That being said, it's easier just to tell the typical person asking about it that it isn't worth the trouble and call it a day, rather than going into some explanation about "how it depends" on what roots blower you use.

[T-Punk]

First off, i only talked about the M90 in my post. the reason i did this was because it is a common question that comes up on the site and i think there needs to be a sticky about it somewhere. also this post was originally made to give people new to forced induction some standard information about our cars and forced induction, I dont want to nitpick every possibility. I mean if you want to go into it it's "possible" to make a sequential turbo system or a system using both a turbo and supercharger for our cars but nobody will ever take the time to do it so why talk about it in a general info post. the post is long enough as is, i will not write a friggin book about every little thing to post up hear. there is still a search to fill in any info i left out or god forbid they still post a question.

[OutKlast]

I would think Gas mileage could increase a pinch with turbo in certain conditions, lower power applications in a car with engine bolt ons added. Like a more efficent intake, port & polish, exhaust which on a NA would help gas mileage. Its just that people tend to do all this in one swing and equate it as better gas mileage due to the turbo when really its more or less due to the add-ons related to the turbo.