Squires Turbo System (rear mounted)

[GN-T66]

I too have ridden in more than once STS vehicle at this point. Threshhold is high, and lag is appreciable. Each one I've ridden in would absolutely get destroyed by my GN. Peak power numbers are impressive, but the times that these cars run at the strip are abolstely horrible considering power levels. These kits were originally designed for use in trucks and heavier vehicles for towing purposes. It shouldnt be ironic then that two of the best running STS-equipped vehicles are pigs for weight. One being a Z71 LS1 pickup truck, and the other a GTO. I was actually surprised to hear in another thread on hear all the people *****ing and whining about "lag" and how bad it is. I find that amazing actually. Obviously they've never ridden in anything with a properly matched turbo. Point in hand, if people on here whine about lag with afront mount setup, then they have no right being in this thread saying how cool and viable STS is.

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:
THE FOOD CHAIN OF FORCED INDUCTION!

Turbo (front mount.. i.e. CORRECT way of making a turbo) > S/C > Dog Poop > The flies that crawl on dog poop > Fly poop that's made from dog poop > the small creatures that crawl on fly poop that's made from dog poop > The poop from the small creatures that crawl on the fly poop that's made from dog poop > the single celled organisms that crawl on the the poop from the small creatures that crawl on the fly poop that's made from dog poop > STS

Nice food chain and all, but there just has to be something that's lesser than a single cell organism, but still greater than STS..... there just has to be, otherwise it would be an insult to single cell organisms everywhere. :D

[T-Punk]

Do a search for STS turbo setups here and on other sites. Your findings will be that this setup is very laggy and inefficient. Really, dont bother, get a powerdyne over this setup.

[asdf1234]

Originally posted by yellowfbod:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by phoenix64:
Check out the freeway video.

http://www.ststurbo.com/trans_am_video

That trans am has a 383, cam, and heads, if I'm not mistaken. Notice how long it takes from flooring it till he gets boost. Then remeber that you car flows maybe 1/3rd the exhaust that thing does. If that kind of response is your thing, then build your own rear mount.

Or just buy John D's powerydyne for 1800$.

I watched that video and it only took him a second to possibly 2 seconds to gain full boost, how long is your boost lag??? and lets not bull****, I don't know of any viable street system front or rear that takes less than a second to build full boost, so why don't you guys stop crapping on this system. Its not your money, its not your choice, so get off of it already, its his god damn car let him do what he wants without your "I am all knowing and everyone else is wrong" attitude.

BTW: nicklz it works and works very well, I know personally :cool: </font>[/QUOTE]I didnt watch the video but i'm assuming its on the freeway so he's probably cruising at a good speed. If i were on the freeway, dropped into 3rd and hit the gas, i'd have boost almost immediatly. So less than a second of lag for me.

[CM boyd]

I am so sick of hearing you guys with your crap again. I don't give a care if what you think is true or not. My setup is extremely efficient and runs like a champ. The only problem I have had is that I keep messing up my turbo with oil issues that I caused. They are not indicative of the systems. I for one don't like to be in boost
at partial throttle. If I wanted a faster response time then I would only have to change housings. The kit does exactly what it is supposed
to do. No I would not pay what they ask for because the costs are not feasible over what you can do on your own. Like I said, after tuning was complete I could not tell ANY lag. All this is even before I throw on the new torque converter.
There is no reason to start this stupidity again. NICKLZ there are two other people on this site that either have them or are working on their own kits. You make the decision for yourself about how it will work!

[CM boyd]

Sorry, there are no ground clearance issues yet. I am rebuilding the charge pipes to go over the
axel and over the top of the K-Member. No, no water intake problems either. Nothing but good old fashion POWER. Somehing eles everybody should know... My charge pipe is only 2 inces to the engine compartment. This helps the response time a little more.

[CM boyd]

Hey Teufel, why don't you take some of that so called "poop" you claim on other forms of FI and remove it from your mouth before you start yappin.
There are plenty of STS cars and supercharged cars out there that can whoop anybody (more importantly you) on this forum. You guys don't have to like what other people have at all.
I don't see where you get off with all your
knowledge. If what you say is true, then people would not invest in them!! [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

[T-Punk]

Alright, do you know how much CFM you are pushing with your system? PSI is not all you have to look at to see if you are really going to be making power. Also, did you ever get a dyno graph? I dont remember seeing one. By all means enjoy your setup, but dont try to tell others it is efficient at all.

[Nicklz]

[img]graemlins/popcorn.gif[/img] wow I had no idea what i was starting.

cmboyd-thanks for you info, I think I'll be fabing my own rear mount system, after I pay for my taxes this year. I'll let you know how it goes.

[CM boyd]

Don't worry brother... I am gonna finish this! I will get the dyno graph and GTech results after the intercooler install and torque converter. It is the only way to show proof. You have my email address too. Let me know if you ever need any help with you setup. I know all the do's and don'ts now. T-Punk, I will enjoy my system regardless of what you guys think and say. Thanks for your concern.

[phoenix64]

Aparently stock GN's have missmatched turbos, cause even in a stock GN the power hits too softly for me.

My point is all turbos lag, STS quite a bit more than others. If you can live with than more power too you, or less in this case.

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by CM boyd:
Hey Teufel, why don't you take some of that so called "poop" you claim on other forms of FI and remove it from your mouth before you start yappin.
There are plenty of STS cars and supercharged cars out there that can whoop anybody (more importantly you) on this forum. You guys don't have to like what other people have at all.
I don't see where you get off with all your
knowledge. If what you say is true, then people would not invest in them!! [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]

Ah, so you're going to use the "If people buy it, it must be good" argument. ;) People buy those little tornado air intake funnels that do absolutely nothing... are those still good? People still buy those aftermarket IAT sensors for their cars.. are those good? Some people even buy those bilge pumps advertised as electric superchargers, but we all know the truth about them.

The problem is, owners of the system are incapable of hearing anything negative about it. Sure, in this thread i had alittle fun, but even when i don't tell people about the food chain, STS owners come crawling out of the woodwork, and throw bastardized terms, like "extremely efficient" around. What do you mean by efficient? What is meant when a turbo is described as an efficient one? Do you know? Dyno numbers are meaningless when it comes to how "efficient" a turbo is. I'll use Linxs' car as an example. His car dynoed 330rwhp @ 8psi from his T70, with the stock tune. Pretty good numbers... His turbo must be "extremely efficient" right? Nope. I guarantee you that at 8psi, his turbo is not in its range of max efficiency, and is nowhere near performing at the potential it has. Once he gets his car tuned, and is able to turn up the boost, THEN his turbo will be making more power per psi, and it'll probably spool a bit faster, as turbos operating below their efficiency range are usually a bit lazy. Laziness, which is, and will always be, a characteristic of remote turbos, is a sign of inefficiency, and gives you the bell curve dyno graph that all STS cars have, and is the reason for the slow ETs with high trap speeds the STS cars all have.

If you're happy with your setup, that's great.. more power to you. But don't come in here throwing around meaningless terms like "extremely efficient" and telling everyone they're wrong for understanding you can't break the laws of physics.

[ March 17, 2005, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: Teufel Hunden ]

[CM boyd]

Whatever man...I am fully capable of hearing both sides of the argument. It does not matter to me because in the end my overall performance is much superior to the stock NA powered 3800SII.
Things have been tested, dynoed, and proven to work. In fact a couple of those items you mentioned (not the bilge pump) worked for me too. If you understand that then I don't see why you and others keep taking shots on a subject that is frivoulous at best. Besides I am not trying to break the laws of physics "Professor Hunden". If the car goes faster what the hell difference does it make...

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by CM boyd:
Things have been tested, dynoed, and proven to work.

I never said it didn't work... i was talking about how well it works. ;)
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[HAZ-Matt]

All turbos lag, but lag is largely blown out of proportion (unless you are talking about people with much larger turbos than needed). I agree with the premise that remote mounts are not the "optimal" turbo setup. But then again 3" exhaust isn't optimal for 99% of 3.8L on the road, yet nobody has a problem slapping them on.

TH, I kind of agree with what you are getting at in your last post, but there is too much equivocation. You are using efficiency in the broad sense, and then also to refer specifically to the compressor and turbine sections. But I agree that a remote mount gives up efficiency on the hot and cold sides.

I'm wondering why you think a turbo that is set to make max boost in its efficiency range will spool faster? I don't see that happening, unless it is out of its efficiency range on the high side of flow. Going to a smaller boost setting will make it spool faster because it does not have to reach as high an RPM. However, in Linxs's case I cannot understand why increasing boost would make it spool any faster. It will still have to spin through the same range as it does now, and then some. Maybe it will be more likely to maintain RPM during shift, but it won't be any faster getting from vacuum to XPSI when you romp on it the first time.

My take on the remote mount is here:
http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/forums...#faq_turbo_rem