Squires Turbo System (rear mounted)

[CM boyd]

No you can blow the doors off an Ls1, LT1, Honda,
Nissan, import or whatever you race against in loo of the fact that you are using boost and maybe they are not. Regardless of what system you use fine tuning and boost are not limited to the turbo, heat, design, etc. The limits of your pocketbook and engine capability determine how well you will boost. Trust me, if you research the system (assuming you don't really know that much about turbos) you will find that tuning is
just as easy with a front mount and still easier than supercharging.

[CM boyd]

By the way folks, does anybody with superchargers get flamed like we do here? This can be a sham at
times... I am about ready to start riding a bicycle but I am scared that someone will start saying that 10-speeds are less efficient than 12-speeds. :D

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by CM boyd:
By the way folks, does anybody with superchargers get flamed like we do here?

No because superchargers are proven performers with nice track times to back up their power numbers.

[phoenix64]

Originally posted by CM boyd:
No you can blow the doors off an Ls1, LT1, Honda,
Nissan, import or whatever you race against in loo of the fact that you are using boost and maybe they are not. Regardless of what system you use fine tuning and boost are not limited to the turbo, heat, design, etc. The limits of your pocketbook and engine capability determine how well you will boost. Trust me, if you research the system (assuming you don't really know that much about turbos) you will find that tuning is
just as easy with a front mount and still easier than supercharging.

Since when is a turbo easier to tune than a blower?

[nocutt]

... Regardless of what system you use fine tuning and boost are not limited to the turbo, heat, design, etc. The limits of your pocketbook and engine capability determine how well you will boost. Trust me, if you research the system (assuming you don't really know that much about turbos) you will find that tuning is just as easy with a front mount and still easier than supercharging.

Now you have to go and say this...can you back up this claim?

[HAZ-Matt]

Originally posted by GN-T66:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by CM boyd:
By the way folks, does anybody with superchargers get flamed like we do here?

No because superchargers are proven performers with nice track times to back up their power numbers. </font>[/QUOTE]10s GTO's are slow :(

[T-Punk]

We do pick on the SC guys, just ask them :D . And no SC's are not in any way harder to tune for than turbos. In fact many will say the opposite.

[CM boyd]

Ok, Maybe I should have been more specific. I feel it is alot easier to turn the knob on a boost control valve as opposed to change a pulley. That in itself has more to do with adjustability of the two different setups, not necessarily the tuning... my fault.

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by HAZ-Matt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GN-T66:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by CM boyd:
By the way folks, does anybody with superchargers get flamed like we do here?

No because superchargers are proven performers with nice track times to back up their power numbers. </font>[/QUOTE]10s GTO's are slow :( </font>[/QUOTE]So because one or two rear mount vehicles are fast, then that makes them proven? :rolleyes: All the STS vehicles that are fast are tanks.. a GTO, a Z71 truck.....And that GTO has a huge stall, a cam, and a good amount of boost. last I heard it was running low 11s.

[CM boyd]

Well GNT-66 does your car have the same extensive mods that those "tanks" have? Does your car weigh less too? Anybody can see that these are big vehicles that have great track times with a remote turbo. Are you trying to say that a regular front mount would produce the same or better results with fewer mods? You will find some people putting the same mods on their car to compliment a front mount system. There is no reason that a lighter car with a V8 or V6 couldn't do great times with good mods and the same setup. What is your point? How many people here in this community and even the V8 forums really need to get their cars into that time slot.

[John_D.]

I wonder if the nitrous guys go off on each other debating whether a direct port 200 shot is more efficient than a dry kit 100 shot? And all the reasons why it is...?

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by CM boyd:
Well GNT-66 does your car have the same extensive mods that those "tanks" have?

Yep. And it's a lot quicker than 99% of the STS vehicles out there.

Originally posted by CM boyd:
Does your car weigh less too? Anybody can see that these are big vehicles that have great track times with a remote turbo.

Yeah, it weighs less than a GTO or a Z71 truck. Do you have any concept of why weight is important when talking about STS? You're thinking along what normal lines would be as far as weight is concerned.. Lighter is better, right? Normally, I would agree. STS was originally designed for trucks. It was intended to improve towing performance. In that regard, it helps wonderfully. Have you ever noticed that a diesel truck will spool quicker when it is towing a load? Why? More weight present for the engine to move, so more load is placed on it, and in turn the turbo spools up quicker. These STS vehicles being heavy is actually making the turbo behave more like a (proper, correct, good performing) traditional turbo system.

Originally posted by CM boyd:
Are you trying to say that a regular front mount would produce the same or better results with fewer mods?

Damn right it would. Area under the curve, nuff said. PTK had an LT1 car that ran 11.0@130mph on a stock LT1 motor with the exception of roller rockers (didnt last long at those power levels though ;) ) It was a 6 speed car that wasnt setup particularly well for the drag strip. This was at aproximately ~11-13psi boost if I remember correctly. There is an STS LT1 car, with a fully built LT1 motor and turbo specific cam (also a 6 speed I think)... and it runs low 12s@126mph last I saw (at 14 psi boost). If that isnt clear enough, I dont know what is.

Originally posted by CM boyd:
There is no reason that a lighter car with a V8 or V6 couldn't do great times with good mods and the same setup.

See above.... I find it amusing (to say the least) that the heaviest STS-equipped vehicles are also the most impressive as far as ETs. There are lighter STS vehicles making equally high dyno numbers, but they arent running **** for ETs at the track (spare me the excuses).

Originally posted by CM boyd:
What is your point?

That one STS-equipped vehicle running low 11s or high 10s doesnt mean they're proven performers. [img]graemlins/wavey.gif[/img]

[Wan2goFSTR]

CM Boyd, let me know how to get a hold of you(email). As far as going to the track, I am all for it. I haven't ran the car on the dyno, I'm waiting to get the headers installed but I can't find anyone that will touch them. Everyplace that everyone recommended (even what the exhaust shops recommended) won't touch them. The only place that will is Advance Auto on Summer and they want at least $500. I would install them myself but I don't have any tools or stands to work with plus I have the early Pacesetter headers that are reputed to be either a perfect fit or a bear to stop the leaks. Jason McAllister installed his (Pacestters) and he told me they leak but he just needs better gaskets. Anyways, I was figuring on going to the dyno for a before and after the header install just to find out the gains. Give me a shout, we can go the dyno and see what our cars are made of! [img]graemlins/rock.gif[/img]

[CM boyd]

Wan2goFSTR my email address is now public. Go ahead and email me when you can. I am not doing anything before 4pm this Saturday. If you want to bring it by my house then we can work on it together. I have all the tools that you will need.
I am kinda pissed that neither of my new turbos have been shipped out as of yet so I will have
alot of free time to work with. If you email me today then I will give you my contact phone #.

[CM boyd]

GNT-66 I am still going to enjoy my equally "inefficient" remote system. I don't really think that this debate will matter anymore once I finished my upgrade install. It is still
going to boost and give me much more power than what I had before...