How those FFF kits doing?

[pr95blackbird]

tiago, would it not be simply easier to just post the specifications of each part needed for fabrication, ie: tube thickness, length of each tube, location of bend, turbo size (recommended one anyways)the components needed (fmu, bov etc...) i mean you paid the outsourced company to make the pipes right? so wouldn't you be incline to know the specs on it? just a suggestion, cause i mean this way people have the correct specs, know it works cause its been fabricated already, they just have to get the supplies themselves and get the appropriote work done. just my 2 cents.

[Seth]

tiago, would it not be simply easier to just post the specifications of each part needed for fabrication, ie: tube thickness, length of each tube, location of bend, turbo size (recommended one anyways)the components needed (fmu, bov etc...) i mean you paid the outsourced company to make the pipes right? so wouldn't you be incline to know the specs on it? just a suggestion, cause i mean this way people have the correct specs, know it works cause its been fabricated already, they just have to get the supplies themselves and get the appropriote work done. just my 2 cents.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I th ought the piping was done, just the flanges needed to be welded on.

[Th3 RiCk]

Originally posted by Seth:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> tiago, would it not be simply easier to just post the specifications of each part needed for fabrication, ie: tube thickness, length of each tube, location of bend, turbo size (recommended one anyways)the components needed (fmu, bov etc...) i mean you paid the outsourced company to make the pipes right? so wouldn't you be incline to know the specs on it? just a suggestion, cause i mean this way people have the correct specs, know it works cause its been fabricated already, they just have to get the supplies themselves and get the appropriote work done. just my 2 cents.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I th ought the piping was done, just the flanges needed to be welded on. </font>[/QUOTE]I was told the same thing last August. Funny, isn't it.

[Th3 RiCk]

Die Ford v8, I know you're only trying to help, but you don't realize how many times we've been given dates and told things were done that weren't.

I have threatened Tiago once before with a lawsuit. One week later my intercooler showed up. What a coincidence.

[BirdOfPrey01]

It seems we got a piece of the puzzle every 3-6 months, atleast now we ar eon the last pieces, the Pipes.

So what is going on with the pipes? Are they finished? Do they exist?

Just simple info is all I ask for, so far tiago has sent everything but the pipes, obviously he is having some big problems. I hope they can be worked out soon.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

the return address on the stuff does not go to Tiago, it goes to KBS

[Seth]

I was told the same thing last August. Funny, isn't it.

I was told they were suppose to be sent out a few weeks ago. The stories always changing. I really don't mind waiting another month or whatever. But i can never get a striaght answer and that's what frusterates me. I'm ready to get a law suit going. [img]graemlins/twak.gif[/img]

[Tiago]

yes alot of the pipes are done but not 100%, there is still some work to be done.

This shop just hasn't worked to our benefit sofar, which is why we are resulting to this method of business. I just wished you guys saw that its not us not doing our part, this place deffinately scrwed us all thus far and we are taking appropriate measures to get it done. My patience with the whole thing has been tested as much as yours.

[snatch]

Originally posted by Th3 RiCk:
I have threatened Tiago once before with a lawsuit. One week later my intercooler showed up. What a coincidence.

Same Here

Die Ford this has been discussed before. Why would we go after the person that Tiago hired. I didnt hire them, I hired Tiago. Its not going to help anything if I call them and b!tch them out, actually it would probably make it worse.
Shane

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by jc Kyle:
jesus christ.. 6months+ for how many kits? 10
god

actually you've got it backwards, it's more like 10 months for 6 kits.... and on another note, not even jesus christ can come up with a way to help out on this one :eek: ;)

Seth: thats what you were told, and you were lied to, plain and simple. You've been lied to and strung along for several months. I have shown this entire FFF saga in multiple threads to people that knew nothing about it, the drama, or the people involved in it. They all came to one conclusion, that these customers were being lied to on a regular basis, and strung along. People were shocked that legal action hadnt yet been taken, even back in june. All of you customers deserve your money back in full and thensome.

Here's a little business101 for FFF. You've been making this out to be big widespread problem for your suppliers, while accepting little if any blame yourself. Really, as far as the customers are concerned it's quite simple. As a businessman, all of these things that have gone wrong are your responsibility, and 100% of the blame falls on you, no matter what your suppliers did. With matters such as group purchases, it is your responsibility to have these things ironed out before even beginning such a process. Business involves capital and risk taking. For damn near any company that wants to do a GP for the first time, they have a certain amount of their product ready to go, and ready to be shipped out. Why? Because if they want to build a customer base, they want that first GP to go flawless, and they want their product to their customers on a timely manner. that way those folks will be happy and thus begins the process. The risk? well, in getting ready your first run of your product, you gotta put the cash out there, you have to take the risk and acknowledge that not all of that product may sell, and you'd be left with extra things and cash out of pocket. In this specific case, what should have been already built? Everything thats custom. Every piece of the turbo kit that cannot be quickly acquired from a retailer known to keep those parts in stock. The pipes and all flanges, the oil lines, perhaps the intercoolers, and a few other bits and pieces. Other items such as the headunits and clamps, connectors, etc, that can be quickly gotten once the number of customers is known, can be acquired after people's money is in hand, that way your cash outlay and risk can be minimized.

To FFF, at this point the hole is getting deeper by the post, so blaming those companies that you outsourced to is doing nothing to earn back any trust or credibility. At this point with legal action threatened, you need to step up and get people their money back or things are going to get worse, exponentially.

I now await no response from FFF, however, by all means Viper please come and tell me how this isnt my place, and so on, and so on, etc etc :D

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

[quote]Originally posted by GN-T66:

I now await no response from FFF, however, by all means Viper please come and tell me how this isnt my place, and so on, and so on, etc etc :D

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: y do dyou even care? i asked you to leave me alone so please do

[Th3 RiCk]

Because he sees something terribly wrong with the whole situation.

[ November 02, 2004, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: Th3 RiCk ]

[pr95blackbird]

re-iteration:

tiago, would it not be simply easier to just post the specifications of each part needed for fabrication, ie: tube thickness, length of each tube, location of bend, turbo size (recommended one anyways)the components needed (fmu, bov etc...) i mean you paid the outsourced company to make the pipes right? so wouldn't you be incline to know the specs on it? just a suggestion, cause i mean this way people have the correct specs, know it works cause its been fabricated already, they just have to get the supplies themselves and get the appropriote work done. just my 2 cents.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Originally posted by pr95blackbird:
re-iteration:

tiago, would it not be simply easier to just post the specifications of each part needed for fabrication, ie: tube thickness, length of each tube, location of bend, turbo size (recommended one anyways)the components needed (fmu, bov etc...) i mean you paid the outsourced company to make the pipes right? so wouldn't you be incline to know the specs on it? just a suggestion, cause i mean this way people have the correct specs, know it works cause its been fabricated already, they just have to get the supplies themselves and get the appropriote work done. just my 2 cents.

that make no sence at all.... and he sent pipes away to the and they match them up he don't have all that stuff..... what good is that goign to do us.....

[pr95blackbird]

k, here's an easier version of what i meant to say:

goto the machine shop, asks for the specs they used for each engine (specs on pipe length, bend angle etc) along with all the other components that are needed and post it up, then anyone who wants a turbo can get the piping themselves bring it to a local shop (with the specs) to get the proper work done for it and hookup the rest of the parts.