7psi numbers are in!!! WHOOHOO! I AM HAPPY! LINKS WITH PICS HAVE BEEN ADDED

[Infernal]

Shouldn't you guys just be happy that a year ago there was practically nothing for the 3.4 and 3.8 cars and now, just around the corner, there are half a dozen options coming down the pipe?

[Tyler]

all you guys are acting dumb.. sorry..

this is ryans post. this is HIS Project he funded and finished. with help from mach performance.

you guys should be complimenting him on the great success of the kit and the solid performance it puts out.

get a grip on yourselves guys. ryan is prolly sitting at the computer reading this and, and prolly pissed at all.

dont compare superchargers to turbo chargers. they are two totally different worlds of forced induction.

instead of argueing who's is better. lets all stand around and applaud for BATMAN because he is doing something nobody else had the courage to do, and make a SUPERCHARGER KIT, spacifically built for the 3.8, that is intercooled, and has ZERO belt slippage. that is BACKED UP BY ATI.

so please quit the bashing. he has spent OVER A YEAR developing this kit for the v6 community.. you were all by his side encouraging him to do it, and how it would be badass.. and now that there is some compitition, which is a turbo, you guys totally stabbed him in the back.

i honestly think this is a badass kit. and with a built up motor, being aple to handle about 15 lbs of boost, would romp on the majority of the cars on the street/strip.

with a turbo, for such high boost, im sure you'll need a bigger turbo.. which will cause more lag im sure. so there.. a negitive part to the turbo's [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ June 04, 2003: Message edited by: Tyler ]</p>

[xjarayax]

Actually, the turbos we are using can support upwards of 25 psi, at least, I'd say.

Granted, we aren't all using the same turbos, but there is definately room to upgrade boost, trust me, without having to switch out the turbo itself.

[Arctc Wolf]

comparing 2 products isn't back stabbing. I've read all the crap that ppl have said through both of these processes. I'm glad that BATMAN decided 2 stick it out through a lot of indifference to get to this point.

Personally, I have always preferred turbo cars to SC'd just because of efficiency, especially cars w/ a turbo off each bank like the Nissan 300Z's. this doesn't mean I'm bashing batman. I started out comparing and contrasting the 2 kits since they seem to be coming out w/ Dyno numbers within the same time period. Honestly, I'd be happier trusting myself and getting the parts for a kit cheaper and making sure i did it right myself. Tiago is basically making a kit, testing it to see that bugs are worked out of it, and able to sell it for a lot less than the SC kit. With tiago's kit, it's got mroe adjustability with it, as far as tuning and power levels, and other modifications go.

If you like the idea of a serious, no bull**** warranty, and serious set power levels, go w/ batman's kit.

[Swift_3800_F-Body]

Paxton Novi 1000 Centrifugal Supercharger Kit for 3.8's is only $2999, and can supply up to 17 pounds of boost. This is a good choice [img]smile.gif[/img]

I hope tiago's kit is good quality, i would rather have a turbo.

For 3.8's only

[xjarayax]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Swift_3800_F-Body:
Paxton Novi 1000 Centrifugal Supercharger Kit for 3.8's is only $2999, and can supply up to 17 pounds of boost. This is a good choice [img]smile.gif[/img]

I hope tiago's kit is good quality, i would rather have a turbo.

For 3.8's only<hr></blockquote>


huh? link?

[MachPerformance]

All I have to say is...
:eek:

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: MachPerformance ]</p>

[Dominic]

This is really irritating guys. Please cool it and take this off the board.

I am happy about these numbers, and I appreciate what mach performance has done for us. In the future, if the kit is still offered, I will be buying one from his shop. I like the construction, and I admire the amount of effort that has gone into this kit to make it worthwhile.

Tiago's setup is a little homegrown, nothing wrong with that. It made good power, and he showed off a bit :D Its always nice to have competition, but don't fight over it. If you want a turbo, great go get one. Super? Fine now thats available.

Im just happy we have the options now, you all should stop whining and be happy as well. If you have something intelligent to say about this particular thread concerning the 7psi dyno, say it. If you can't come up with anything intelligent, please keep it to yourself.

[Mighty Thor]

I have to admit, this tread is getting way out of hand. Moderators should lock it now. All batman is doing is just showing us his dyno result. He's not sticking it your face.

I'm proud of the fact that we have this poweradder as a choice now. When I started modifying there was almost nothing for us, but a few mediocre mods that's really meant for V8's. You guys should be happy and proud.

If you want to do a SC vs. Turbo. Do another tread. But this tread belongs to batman

[Tiago]

TOBY I don't know who the **** you are and I really dont care. But can't you understand the concept of a prototype? IT was suppost to be functional, nothing else. IF I wanted it to bling I could have done that too and I still can, how hard woudl it be to smooth out some welds and powder coat the pipes? EASY. Yes the welds are not pretty and even with the nasty welds it still put out great numbers, imagine with good piping like the production pieces will be, full mandrel, little to no welds, the welds will not be done by us btw, our piping supplier will take care of any welding and they are pros. So that is not an issue.

The part about reliability is just part of refining the prototype, it was a shake down run, we are still debugging it, Ive had my kit for a year and IVe had time to fix all the problems, its reliable Ive put more then 10k miles on the car at approx 10-12 lbs of boost and have only been under the hood to change oil. The 3.8 was just recently finished there will be things that pop up here and there and we will correct the problems, part of development.

BTW, run your damn car in 4th and go as fast as you can, you will see you can't reach redline in that gear before the speed limiter kicks in.

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: Tiago ]</p>

[Tiago]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jason Morgan:
tiago your being ignorent now

you know dam well a manuel car losses atlest 15-20 hp less then that of an auto

"Now for the numbers. In 3rd gear I was making 282.5 hp and 311.1 tq. Right after this we ran it in 4th so the car was really hot. We had to run it twice since the first time the connector popped off. Once we got a clean run in 4th it pulled 278.1 hp and 320.9 tq. Didn't get to take it to redline because of the speed limiter."

you did dyno it in 3rd and you did post the numbers i didnt want to argue with you on your 4th gear pull because all i would hear is blah blah it wasnt to redline

you are being ignorent and i know why you are stop the **** cause you know i am right

plan and simple a a turbo better dyno more period

manual car with the same mods will always dyno higher

you dont need a whisper lid or exhast on your car before a turbo because all that **** is replaced anyways

wanna compair number im sure radcats car would of put down atleast 175 hp stock batman probly put down 155 hp thats still a 20 hp advantage he has a weak 3.8 i dynoed 165 with intake so if i got 5 hp off the intake that would be 160 for me stock and if his is week to begin with then i know he aint gonna be near me


yea batman had mods when he put the charger on because you know he needs them

still with his mods radcat would of atleast dynoed 10 more then him period besides
the fact that radcat had more boost period radcat didnt say he had 6 psi and dynoed 280 he said 7-8 in my book that means 7.5 so he atleast was puting 8-10 hp down more then batman cause of boost alone


ohh and when the hell did the price of the kit come in here we are talking performance price has nothing to do with this

and if you wanna be technical i can make a ver nice turbo kit for 2k that would lay better numbers down then your 3K kit so dont even go there on the price thing that was never an argument also

hrm who in the hell said batmans car is tuned
ummmmmmmm if it is it hasnt been said if its not then thats a real shame that radcat put down some ****y number then compaired to batmans car


batmans car dynoed 250 to radcats 278 thats 28 hp less 15-20 hp was lost because of his trans plan and simple

if batmans car was tuned with a wide band then yes the numbers would be low but if its his more or less stock computer (if timing and fuel was not messed with then it was not tuned)

then yea i would say batmans kit put out 10 less hp with tuning but ummmmmmmmmmmmmm i know knobody here knows yet we will see when batman posts back<hr></blockquote>


no **** an auto will dyno lower, I never said it woudln't but you are saying that RAdcat's car dynoed as much as CPs, which I doubt, All I said was that not every m5 car dynoes 190 rwhp. you can speculate how much he put down all you want but most 3.8s do anywere from 160 to 170 stock, I have not seen more then that consistantly.

If you are trying to say that a car lost 20 RWHP because of a auto then you are tripping. The theoretical difference is 5$ only, so lets do the math once again:

278 rwhp at 15% loss on a M5 = 320 hp [img]smile.gif[/img]

now

245 rwhp at 20% loss on an A4= 294 hp

so a 26 hp difference. where did it go?

Not even gonna mention the TQ.

If you are trying to say you can build a better one, sure, I wanna see that. Then put your money where your mouth is.

BTW Batmans' car WAS tuned hes been preaching about PCM programming for the last YEAR they have played with timing and fuel Im sure to accomodate the blower. If they did 20 passes on teh dyno good for them, I can't afford to bank that Im just a guy doing what he can with what he knows and has. Our turbo cars have absolutely no PCM work.

Might I mention that my lowly 3.4L also put better numbers down then that, and it WAS at 7 psi? My NA dyno was 154 rwhp and with boost, it was 260 shutting down early, and tq went from 188 rw to 332 rw, even the 3.4L beats your reasoning, you can't say it dynoed 190 rwhp cause it sure as hell didn't.

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: Tiago ]</p>

[Amped96]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by TOBY:


Whats all this bs about running your M5 in 3rd??? Are you saying your hitting the 105MPH speed limiter at 4th gear??? I find that hard to believe so prove me wrong. Why don;t you run it in 4th like its supposed to be and give us some real numbers and not some hot air from those ballooned numbers you gave us.

<hr></blockquote>

Man, I don't know if its just me, but i found this comment to be so ignorant that i had to read it about 50 times to make sure i wasn't missing something. Are you fresh off the boat? Have you ever driven a 5spd or driven over 55mph in ANY vehicle? Why would he NOT be hitting the governor in 4th?? In my 3.8, it hits the governor of 118 in 4th so i had to dyno it in 3rd also. Tiago's car has the governor at 108 or so. This would also be in 4th.

Jesus Christ man...and whats with you checkin on his exhaust pipe. Its a turbo...you DO realize they are powered by exhaust gases right? And checking on his welds implies you could do better and not just pay 4k to have someone do it for you? Get off your box and give Tiago the props he deserves. It might not when a car show, but it does what matters and he put forth the effort to get it done...and in a pretty timely manner i might add. (how long has this SC project been goin?) If all you are worried about is bling, bling then you sound more like a riceboy than a performance enthusiast to me.

[Swift_3800_F-Body]

http://www.zzperformance.com/zzp/pro...sc_kit_gtp.htm

there you go, from what i was told it will work on the L36 as well

[jmorgan]

tiago do i not have a strong auto car? you can look at my times to prove its strong compaired to everyone elses


i know im not gonna dyno more then 175hp

cp has a strong car him self he has about the same mods as me but i have a bigger exhast so its not like my car isnt breathing worse then his

and he dynoed 193

thats 18 hp more for just having a manual hell we can go with 15 hp more then me

do the math batman is missing 20 hp cause his auto to begin with period

and who knows radcats car could actully be fast and no you cant base that off of et cause hell cp has only run what 15.4's and im almost a sec faster then him with 18 less hp


why dont both yall take it to the track run the fastest you can on what we will say 10 psi cause i dont know if batman wants to go more then that

then you can preach about your kit some let me not remind you of some turbo cars that are dyno queens plain and simple hello supras

just like i whoop the **** out of cp at the track yet he does have 18 more hp then me

and neither of your cars are actully the fastest on the board atleast not yet

and actully a supercharged car actully hold the mph record for the 3.8 right now and no im not talking shirl his times arnt listed but he does have the highest mph


let radcat go to the track and run a number im not looking for a dyno queen i want a car that is quick

you still shouldnt go into someones post about their dyno and ***** saying thats low number your not gonna buy the kit so what the **** do you care honestly

now im gonna call you out lol

atleast his kit is in production yours isnt, does radcat even have his exhast hooked up yet or is it just an open down pipe

and you can ***** about your temp of the car cause i know after 20 pulls his car was hotter then yours plain and simple

and actully we dont know if it was widband tuned and if they messed with his timing

to my knowlge right now it only took care of the speed limiter and corrected for gears cause thats all batman has to say you are assuming **** and its not your place to speak out

build your kit run a number then post it on here that is all you have to do to prove your point

if your a big man you and your little squad will go to work and produce a bad *** kit and when it comes out then you can post a dyno showing 350hp on a what was stock 3.8 and everyone will jump on the wagon and get one


its not cool for more or less a vender to bash another vender


you dont see mti talk **** to ls1 speed or the other way around

and the only **** talk i hear is maybe between madman and ARE (the 2 people compeating for the fastest stock suspened location fbody) and they both want to settle it at the track and not on a message board saying that ohh your car is week blah blah

be a big man apologize and back down

batman has stuck with this i dont know how i dought i could have

some people want a supercharger some people want a turbo whatever floats there boat is what they will get

if anything we should be compairing this to the powerdyne because this takes care of all the problems powerdyne has

why dont you make a thread and dis powerdyne that they dont dyno as much as you


allso is the powerdyne not like 4000 almost new maybe not but your getting a hell of alot more out of this ATI kit this is a giant leap for the 3.8 world we actully have a well built supercharger that will be able to produce more boost then our motors can take can you say that about the powerdyne

ohh tiago dont take any of this **** personal i think you know what i want to do to my car but cosidering all things this isnt a bad supercharger at all

you cant compair apples to oranges we all know oranges are better but you have to do more to have them [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: Jason Morgan ]</p>

[xjarayax]

Contradictions.