7psi numbers are in!!! WHOOHOO! I AM HAPPY! LINKS WITH PICS HAVE BEEN ADDED

[imported_admin]

Jason Morgan--you were scheduled to be banned for your frequent out-of-line outbursts last week. We received FOUR separate e-mails asking why we were putting up with your crap. For some reason I forgot, so you're history now that you reminded me instead.

TOBY--your first post was ripping on me (in all caps) without even having the slightest clue what you were talking about, your second and third posts are ripping on Tiago. Not a good way to get people to like you around here. New members with under 25 posts are on a probationary period. If you can't post 25 times without attacking very respected senior members then we don't want you here.

As for the hp on BATMAN and Tiago's kits... I'm really disappointed in BATMAN's setup so far. I pulled 30 less ft-lbs at 1 psi before I even used the ribbed belt back in April of 99. I've pulled better than that since. I've not yet pulled 300 rwhp because I've never gotten the chance to dyno when it's running SMOOTHLY (something stupid always breaks just beforehand) but even running half decent I have him slightly beat in hp, slaughtered in torque. Why are those torque numbers so low??? Doesn't BATMAN's car have full headers and exhaust? Is there something else limiting the power output? It should be a lot higher than that, at least 40-50 ft-lbs. Mine's a manual as well but auto vs. manual doesn't make THAT much of a difference.

We'll be doing a dyno pull on Jenn's car sometime in the next month, probably about the same time as BATMAN gets his 10 psi setup w/injectors dyno'd. We're moving out to the suburbs on July 1 though so it might not be until a week or so after that. Figure we'll dyno my 13 psi pulley (on stock injectors, runs fine) that same day so I can (finally) join in on this argument. :D

[Speed]

Where is everyone getting that the turbocharger will need to be replaced if you want to go to 15lbs of boost? I designed his to be large for the engine so you could go up in boost. I'm using the same configuration on my 500hp L36 based Fiero project and it will do fine. Folks that's pushing 30lbs of boost, not 15-17.

[BATMAN]

WOW :eek: :eek: :eek: Ummm, lets all calm down here. We are comparing 2 different types of setups here. Heck, both are prototype.

By the way, TO CLEAR THINGS UP, my PCM was not tuned when we did these runs. WHY? cause the PCM tuning is not mandatory for 7psi kits. If we threw out numbers there with tuning, then it would be false for those that get the kits. SO yah, these air fuel ratios are from the custom FMU that Bill made and the external fuel pump alone. NO PCM TUNING. These are the numbers the beta testers should be getting if they are buying a 7psi kit without pcm tuning. We are going to do the tuning and then through 10psi and we will see what we will get.

YEs, i was under the impression that there was tuning, but Bill told me yesterday they redid the cal to be without tuning as not to throw off the numbers. We want real honest numbers, not fakes.

The only tuning that was done was for my gear ratio and from what we can tell, they accidently tuned the gear ratio wrong. I have 3.42s but for some odd reason 3.73 was on the info sheet that mach performance filled out for me over the phone. Bill said that during the dyno i was 10mph off.

Anyways here are the links to the stats and sheets so far.

I definately will be getting new dyno stats as soon as we put the tuning, and the 10lb pulley on.

http://groups.msn.com/BATMANsV6Batmo...oto&PhotoID=56

http://groups.msn.com/BATMANsV6Batmo...oto&PhotoID=57

http://groups.msn.com/BATMANsV6Batmo...oto&PhotoID=58

http://groups.msn.com/BATMANsV6Batmo...oto&PhotoID=59

[v6maro]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Tiago:

Might I mention that my lowly 3.4L also put better numbers down then that, and it WAS at 7 psi? My NA dyno was 154 rwhp and with boost, it was 260 shutting down early, and tq went from 188 rw to 332 rw, even the 3.4L beats your reasoning, you can't say it dynoed 190 rwhp cause it sure as hell didn't.

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: Tiago ]<hr></blockquote>
Might I mention your 3.4L has high flowing heads, and as we all know, better flowing heads make a huge difference in FI.

[BATMAN]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Stefan:

As for the hp on BATMAN and Tiago's kits... I'm really disappointed in BATMAN's setup so far. I pulled 30 less ft-lbs at 1 psi before I even used the ribbed belt back in April of 99. I've pulled better than that since. I've not yet pulled 300 rwhp because I've never gotten the chance to dyno when it's running SMOOTHLY (something stupid always breaks just beforehand) but even running half decent I have him slightly beat in hp, slaughtered in torque. Why are those torque numbers so low??? Doesn't BATMAN's car have full headers and exhaust? Is there something else limiting the power output? It should be a lot higher than that, at least 40-50 ft-lbs. Mine's a manual as well but auto vs. manual doesn't make THAT much of a difference.

<hr></blockquote>

OKay... well thanks man... I guess this is competition now cause up until now i've been encouraging you and saying thanks and giving you credit even after some of the stuff i've heard you say about me. I thought we were friends, but i guess business is business and friendship comes later? I am sorry i didn't go through with your design and make it better the way you wanted, instead i took an even harder, more expensive, and more ehausting route and took things a step further for this community. No reason to get upset with me and take it out on me just cause i didn't do things your way. If your going to critise this kit, then its only fair to be prepared to take critism back.

Yes, you made the first kit, but you have yet in all these years post any dyno numbers or track times. You said it yourself. You've had the kit for 4yrs. Its okay, we all have busy lives and i know how things can get. We've both had it pretty rough the last couple of months. However if your going to put this setup down, you should be able to back yours up with proof. Anyone can say my car is running such and such, but proof on paper speak larger than words.

Anyways, lets actually look at what you are saying.

1) You are saying you've never had the chance to dyno your car because something always breaks? You said it... not me. Thats the reason i went with a professional shop. I do not have the time to have things break on my car. I also don't want a kit that i was involved in breaking other people's car's either. THis kit when it hits the market is going to be reliable, safe, will have a proffesional look and will have waranty and technical support. This kit is not for a one off aplication. It is made with the intent to be sold for public use...safe, solid use.

2)As far as my numbers vs yours...Hello, we are also talking rebuilt engine (yours) vs my stock engine which had weak numbers to begin with. I am going to dig up the dyno i did before i threw this car into the shop. I want to post my baseline so you all can see it. WHat you should be looking at is not the final numbers but what this kit actually added to my base power. THAT is where the difference is . Its not the final number that matters cause when it comes down to it, if this kit was slapped on a manual with a strong engine, we'd be seeing a lot better numbers.

Anyways, i am sorry if i have offended you, but the truth is man, you've really hurt my feelings. :( I have always held you up, even when people tell me i shouldn't. I've never put your kit down and i have always told everyone how you enspire me. You have always been my friend and friends always help each other. In any case, i wish you and pathogen the best of luck. Your kit will be a nice alternative to those who don't care about the harder install, the waranty, who want a cheaper solution and who just want some power.

As for everyone else, here is how i feel:

[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] to tiago for trying to get a turbo kit setup. It is a prototype and i am sure you are proud of your work as much as mach and i are proud of ours. Our kit is different and will produce different results. Its hard to compare apples to oranges which is what everyone is trying to do here. Wait till i get 10psi, I'll give your turbo kit a run [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: BATMAN ]</p>

[malloynx#2]

this board is getting so lame. i'm so glad i got the turbo supra..you can find me at supraforums.com


RYAN.. CONGRATS ON THE KIT.. YOU WENT THE WHOLE 9 YARDS.. GOOD ON YOU!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: malloynx#2 ]</p>

[shortdog273]

Politics and sillyness as usual on this website. [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] Tiago, do your thing man. Don't sweat the haters. Jealously just lets you know that you're doing something right. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: shortdog273 ]</p>

[v6maro]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by malloynx#2:
this board is getting so lame. i'm so glad i got the turbo supra..you can find me at supraforums.com


RYAN.. CONGRATS ON THE KIT.. YOU WENT THE WHOLE 9 YARDS.. GOOD ON YOU!! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: malloynx#2 ]<hr></blockquote>

True that to the MAXX

I'm glad I got my LS1, slap a cam, lid, and exhaust on, spending maybe 2k, and I'll be kicking every v6's *** around, not to mention my payment and insurance only went up like 100/mo!
-Steve

[hawgs]

my thoughts on this post:

glad to see the kit is finally done, good job ryan. looking forward to seeing what 10 PSI can do.

why is everyone now bashing tiagos setup? it may not be powdercoated but it gets the job done, and lays down some pretty decent numbers. making it pretty is as easy as taking all the pipes off and taking them somewhere and geting another set of pipes bent exactly like those and shined up all nice and pretty. would yall bash it then?

disappointed with two club members bickering with each other, were supposed to have each others back and not fight on the board with each other. come on now.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by v6maro:
I'm glad I got my LS1, slap a cam, lid, and exhaust on, spending maybe 2k, and I'll be kicking every v6's *** around, not to mention my payment and insurance only went up like 100/mo!
-Steve<hr></blockquote>

you LS1 is going to need a cam to beat V6s? might wanna sell that one back, if you can find someone to buy it with those wheels on it that is. :rolleyes:

[mattsv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> Might I mention your 3.4L has high flowing heads, and as we all know, better flowing heads make a huge difference in FI. <hr></blockquote>
i dont think that the garbage 3.4 heads flow as much as the 3.8 heads. that is jsut a miss-statement.

and ryan, i am glad that you arent one of the people that is goin waaay out of his way to find fault. what people posting here dont understand is that tiago, speed, xjarayax, and myself are just defending our prototype kits. this is the only reason that i have taken offense to anything that has been siad here. some people need to realize that we all expected this because the numbers for both cars came out at the same time. we all new it was gonna happen sooner or later! i jsut hope that people look into both setups with an open mind and decide for themselves what is better, and not cause joe dic--ead posted some crap that made him think a certain kit sucks.

and as far as people mocking tiago's & speeds welding, you obviously have had no weldig experience in your life and should try it some time. noone said we were professional weldors here, but it had too be done or else the kit would have never been done. i have been told by other weldors that my welds look proper and have good penetration/ strenght, and my welds look like the ones you are mocking. should i take it that you think i am a shi--y weldor also??

stefan- thank you for holding up your duty and banning these clowns that come on here jsut too start crap or b--ch. good job! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[xjarayax]

Werd, like I said before, I already praised Batman's determinism and professionalism. I've been excited about that project since day one, just don't have the funds for it.

It's GREAT that our V6's are getting recognized by a world-renown poweradder company, that can only lead to the inevitable- more companies making mods for us = more quick little V6s shocking our bigger brothers. I think we all know that we have a VERY small aftermarket for our cars, even the slower V6 Mustangs have TONS more options for power.

[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] to the people making the difference, like Batman's sig says "Be part of the solution... Not the problem"

[img]graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] to the ignorant kids arguing unjustly about things they are uneducated about! just stay off the thread!

My .02

Sam

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: xjarayax ]</p>

[1smurfman]

My bad, man..i cannot wait for this kit to come out..any idea when it will be available to public.

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: 1smurfman ]</p>

[xjarayax]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 1smurfman:
Hey Batman, did you pull these numbers on a Mustang Dyno or a DynoJet??<hr></blockquote>


Dynojet
http://groups.msn.com/BATMANsV6Batmo...oto&PhotoID=56

[99redcamaro]

guys, stop this s***t.
don't try to compare Superchargers and Turbochargers cause they're different.
don't fight each other saying my kit is better than you kit. if it is, so what??. we didn't have so many alternatives before. We can say ATI KIT is Better that Powerdyne that is a fact, and we are comparing and old Desing with a new one so we can clearly see the diference.
you guys make us look like freaking childrens. just go to the damn track . then come back with the numbers.

Thanks BATMAN and BILL,TIAGO,PATHOGEN and all the guys working for our V6 Community.

[BATMAN]

By the way guys...

Here is my setup as far as mods go:

I have rksport headers,
3" Borla Catback Exhaust
3" Highflow Cat (which i think is damaged-it glowed red during the dyno)
160 Thermostat
3.42 gears (i used to have 3.08)
Zexel Torsen LSD
Taylor Wires
NGKplugs
BMR STB
BMR ADJ Upper and Lower Control Arms
BMR Boxed Subframe Connectors
BMR Panhard bar
18inch wheels and BFG Geforce tires 18/245/40


If you look, there are no mods to the engine.

If you look at the runs, notice i am hitting a limiter there (stops at 5100/5200 rpms)because of my gear ratio tuning being off.

At this rate, I am confident that my 10PSI numbers will be a lot more impressive.

[ June 05, 2003: Message edited by: BATMAN ]</p>