New Here a few Q's

[Turbo Kyle]

Originally posted by BirdOfPrey01:
Get an intercooler, dont cheap out, you will regret it if you blow the motor from hot air/detonation

Yea,
I think Im gonna get another Supra IC and double them up.

[RedFrk13]

Originally posted by GN-T66:
If you're spending the money on a turbo setup, do it right the first time and get an intercooler. I dont understand why anyone would build a turbo setup on one of these cars and not use an intercooler. If you can afford to do everything else, you can afford a 300$ intercooler off of ebay. they sell ones on their that are 24x12x3 tube and fin units that work just fine, especailly for what you want to do. As for an FMU, why would you get a fixed ratio unit. Again, makes no sense. get an adjustable.

I find your post funny because you say not to go cheap with no intercooler and then tell him to use a FMU. An FMU is the cheap way, why would you use one if you can buy HP tuners or DHP and tune it right with some bigger injectors unless it was because of money. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by RedFrk13:
I find your post funny because you say not to go cheap with no intercooler and then tell him to use a FMU. An FMU is the cheap way, why would you use one if you can buy HP tuners or DHP and tune it right with some bigger injectors unless it was because of money. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

:rolleyes:

GN didn't tell him to use an FMU, he said of he's going to use one at all, he should use an adjustable one. Just like he was saying if he's going to build a turbo, he should use an intercooler.

[ November 29, 2004, 11:32 PM: Message edited by: Teufel Hunden ]

[RedFrk13]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:
:rolleyes:

GN didn't tell him to use an FMU, he said of he's going to use one at all, he should use an adjustable one. Just like he was saying if he's going to build a turbo, he should use an intercooler. [/QB]

So fixed FMU is to adjustable FMU as intercooler is to turbo. I guess you would have got that one wrong on the SATs. J/K, its a joke. [img]smile.gif[/img]

All I am saying is that I would spend the money for the software so I didnt have to buy an FMU. I understand why we started using them, but I dont see the point anymore with tuning software available.

[Teufel Hunden]

Because an Adjustable FMU can be had for $250 or less on EBay. Tuning software is $500 alone, then add that in with some injectors ($150-200, avg). So, when confronted with that, it's easy to see why someone would go the route of FMU instead of tuning right away. BUT, with an intercooler only costing and average of $200 on ebay, you might as well go with one, as it's cheap to include one in the system. Everyone agrees that tuning is optimal, that perspective isn't wrong, but there's nothing wrong with running an FMU in the meantime.

[Turbo Kyle]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:
Because an Adjustable FMU can be had for $250 or less on EBay. Tuning software is $500 alone, then add that in with some injectors ($150-200, avg). So, when confronted with that, it's easy to see why someone would go the route of FMU instead of tuning right away. BUT, with an intercooler only costing and average of $200 on ebay, you might as well go with one, as it's cheap to include one in the system. Everyone agrees that tuning is optimal, that perspective isn't wrong, but there's nothing wrong with running an FMU in the meantime.

Well put, I dont have the funds for Tuning software and injectors. So Im gonna cheap it with a FMU. I wont be running that much boost and I have a Chassis Dyno 2 min. from my place. Ill make sure it has a safe AFR before I start beating on it.

[RedFrk13]

DHP powertuner is available for 325 for 2 cars. Look in the sponsors section. Used L67 injectors can be found for 50-75 bucks. For 400 bucks you can do it the right way instead of spending money on an FMU that you may want to get rid of in the future.

I would run low boost with no intercooler and tune it with the software. Then when you save up the money, buy an intercooler and start turning the boost up. Thats my plan anyway. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by RedFrk13:
DHP powertuner is available for 325 for 2 cars. Look in the sponsors section. Used L67 injectors can be found for 50-75 bucks. For 400 bucks you can do it the right way instead of spending money on an FMU that you may want to get rid of in the future.

I would run low boost with no intercooler and tune it with the software. Then when you save up the money, buy an intercooler and start turning the boost up. Thats my plan anyway. [img]smile.gif[/img]

thats not the plan that most people would follow doing a turbo buildup. DHP powertuner?? never heard of it, and there is probably a reason I havent heard of it. If it were me, I'd go with the software that has been widely used and proven amongst its users. Thats doing it right IMO. And if I couldnt afford tuning software, I'd go with an adjustable FMU. I've seen it work very well on Teufel's car. Building any kind of boosted system without an intercooler is one of the dumbest things one can do in the FI world in my opinion. You need some way to cool the intake charge.... an intercooler is my first choice, with meth/water injection as a viable alternative.

[RedFrk13]

If you knew the Series 2 3800 world, you would know DHP. They havnt done much with the fbodys, but in the fwd world, they are at the top when it comes to tuning. Trust me, fwd is killing the rwd 3800s. I guess its just to easy to trade up for the V8.

As for no intercooler, I only plan on running no intercooler for a few months(winter and sring). I have no problem with running low boost for a while why I fine tune the computer for the injectors and boost. I have other issues why I cant put an intercooler on yet, my 3800 is in an S10, not an fbody. The general, ford and chrysler produced turbo cars without an intercooler, so I guess its not that bad. Even your grand nationals came without them. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[GN-T66]

Originally posted by RedFrk13:
If you knew the Series 2 3800 world, you would know DHP. They havnt done much with the fbodys, but in the fwd world, they are at the top when it comes to tuning. Trust me, fwd is killing the rwd 3800s. I guess its just to easy to trade up for the V8.

As for no intercooler, I only plan on running no intercooler for a few months(winter and sring). I have no problem with running low boost for a while why I fine tune the computer for the injectors and boost. I have other issues why I cant put an intercooler on yet, my 3800 is in an S10, not an fbody. The general, ford and chrysler produced turbo cars without an intercooler, so I guess its not that bad. Even your grand nationals came without them. [img]smile.gif[/img]

well I dont care what the fwd v6 guys are doing.. so I guess that's why I havent heard of them. So... the fwd guys are killing all the rwd v6 guys huh? Apparently you arent factoring in GNs, because overall, modified GNs are walking all over fwd v6 GMs, in a big way. :D

[Teufel Hunden]

Originally posted by RedFrk13:
Trust me, fwd is killing the rwd 3800s. I guess its just to easy to trade up for the V8.

Only reason that's true is because of the GTP. There's more demand to support an aftermarket for those cars, and GTPs are viewed as a car with good potential. V6 Camaros on the other hand, they're viewed as a car with no potential by the vast majority of people, because they're always compared to their V8 counterparts. "Why mod a V6 when you can just buy a V8?" Is a question i'm sure we've all heard at least a hundred times. The average owner of a V6 FBody is typically a younger person without gobs of money to spend, and that's one of the main reasons there's only a small aftermarket for them.

[pr95blackbird]

Originally posted by Teufel Hunden:
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Trust me, fwd is killing the rwd 3800s. I guess its just to easy to trade up for the V8.

Only reason that's true is because of the GTP. There's more demand to support an aftermarket for those cars, and GTPs are viewed as a car with good potential. V6 Camaros on the other hand, they're viewed as a car with no potential by the vast majority of people, because they're always compared to their V8 counterparts. "Why mod a V6 when you can just buy a V8?" Is a question i'm sure we've all heard at least a hundred times. The average owner of a V6 FBody is typically a younger person without gobs of money to spend, and that's one of the main reasons there's only a small aftermarket for them. </font>[/QUOTE]precisely, then when you show up with a turbo'd v6 and take the doors of those who've doubted you, and keep pace with an ls1 they are all in awe [img]graemlins/banana.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/banana.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/banana.gif[/img]