Non intercooled turbo kit?

[jrschultz]

I know that the base turbo kits for the Grand Prix guys are non-intercooled. Has anyone run a non-intercooled turbo set up on one of our cars? It would be cheaper initially, and then you could add the intercooler later when you wanted to.

[Daviselk]

Re: Non intercooled turbo kit?

why would you wanna do that though...
i dont know about the kits you are talking about but from what can think of the only reason somebody wouldent want one is 1-less weight or 2-not enough money

but the weight issue is just stupid...thats like saying you only need 3 pistons.. less weight=f45t3r!111
and if you are turboing your car.. one of the things you should buy first is an intercooler... so everyone can see it and because it helps so much
cooler air=t3h s3x
but i dont know... lol

[jrschultz]

Re: Non intercooled turbo kit?

why would you wanna do that though...
i dont know about the kits you are talking about but from what can think of the only reason somebody wouldent want one is 1-less weight or 2-not enough money

but the weight issue is just stupid...thats like saying you only need 3 pistons.. less weight=f45t3r!111
and if you are turboing your car.. one of the things you should buy first is an intercooler... so everyone can see it and because it helps so much
cooler air=t3h s3x
but i dont know... lol

www.stattama.com and www.cartuning.ca are the 2 main companies that supply kits for the Grand Prix's. Hopefully mod's don't delete those links as they are just for reference. An intercooler does cool down the air about to go into the intake, which becomes more and more important as you up the boost. If you're running a conservative amount of boost it still helps, but is not necessary. Think of this...What would be hotter? The air from a roots type blower such as the M90 on the GTP's or air from a turbo? I'm by no means saying I wouldn't put on an intercooler eventually, but yes, for now it would be to save money. A friend of a friend who has 12 years welding experience on anything imagineable said he would be willing to fab up a kit for me as a side job. I was thinking of going non-intercooled for now as it would be less piping, welding, time, and also save money not buying the intercooler. Its basically just and idea since many of the Grand Prix's with the base kits have had great results.

[jrschultz]

Re: Non intercooled turbo kit?

Here's Cartuning's answer: Doesn't a turbo kit NEED an intercooler? Is it safe to run all that hot air without one?
Here is a very interesting question. If you have a kit which comes with say, a fuel pressure riser and no pcm tuning whatsoever, I'd say the kit was unsafe for the engine with OR without an intercooler. However if the kit was designed properly, and the pcm was tuned for all the changes made, it's perfectly safe. A turbo outputs air much cooler then the stock eaton supercharger does from GM. I don't recall the factory giving you an intercooler! We've tuned the car to 91 octane, and have allowed for 15 degrees of WOT timing, along with many other fueling, trans, etc changes and see absolutely 0 degrees of knock retard. This kit is perfectly safe to use without an intercooler. The addition of the IC will allow you run more boost, timing, or a combination of the two resulting in more horsepower.

[ReodDai]

Re: Non intercooled turbo kit?

A turbo outputs air much cooler then the stock eaton supercharger does from GM.

Oh look a company that makes generalized statements.

1. Stop giving us descriptions of how much boost you want to run and give us numbers.

2. The intercooler will only HELP you produce more power and be safer.

3. It will be cheaper to do the intercooler while your having the turbo kit fabbed and installed then it will afterwards.

4. Make sure you don't pay attention to everything a company puts on their website. Usually its partially right and then only in a general sense. Just because they make a kit and they are on the interweb doesn't mean they know what their talking about (See: RK Sport Powerdyne kit for example).

5. In the end its up to you. Regardless of what we say. There are tons of unintercooled kits running around. The intercooler is not necessary in most of the applications. If your going for performance then get the intercooler. If you want to be like the factory and suggest performance but really go for whats cost effective. Don't get the intercooler and try to throw in some restrictive exhaust somewhere. (Btw, that "well the factory doesn't have intercoolers" arguement is just hilarious. Most people who mod their cars have a nice list of things they can't believe the factory did to their cars)

Good luck. Have fun. The intercooler won't hurt you it will only benefit you.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Re: Non intercooled turbo kit?

IC is not needed but you will make more power with one, and its a lot safer on the motor

[CDNFB]

Re: Non intercooled turbo kit?

Instead of using an IC how about going chemical, like meth injection. That cools the aircharge as well. But would it be cheaper than an intercooler?

[ReodDai]

Re: Non intercooled turbo kit?

Instead of using an IC how about going chemical, like meth injection. That cools the aircharge as well. But would it be cheaper than an intercooler?

Personally I wouldn't use meth unless I already had an intercooler and just needed more cooling for more boost. However, thats my preference only.