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Anyone heard anything about the STS turbo kits? Appearantly they make a "universal" application that can fit our 3800's. But, at a price of $3k, I'd like to know if anyone has seen/driven one that was worth it...
Anyone heard anything about the STS turbo kits? Appearantly they make a "universal" application that can fit our 3800's. But, at a price of $3k, I'd like to know if anyone has seen/driven one that was worth it...
yes... it well work .... $3000?
The STS Universal Turbo Systems require fabrication and do NOT include intake or exhaust tubing, fuel management or tuning
the sts kit is a rear mount turbo right?
but i dont see why you would need to pay that much for it. Basicly if im not mistaken all you need is a turbo of your choice, a place to mount it, and you would need to tap your oild pan and run an oil line.
then of course a tune and all that junk
why? i have heard they are pretty good, i know a regular turbo is better but if your not looking at making 400hp i dont see a problem with it.
and they dont need to be intercooled either because of the distance the air has to travel to the engine
im probably wrong in my thinking though, cause i know nothing about FI
but it seems good in theory
there was a member here that bought one and had to do quite a bit of tweaking and fabbing to make it work for his car. His name was "Banks" or something like that. Do a search and his name should come up. There were pics of it and such at one point on this site
and they dont need to be intercooled either because of the distance the air has to travel to the engine
read that and think whats wrong when talking about turbo's.
the whole idea is to have hot, fast flowing exhuast into the turbo. not miles of piping before the exhaust gets to the turbo. the sts kits are the opposite. no car/truck that is turbo'd from the factory is like that, atleast not that i know of. you have to run a smaller turbo with the sts so it will make power at all.
the make some what decent power on LSX platforms because they push alot of air out than we do, but compaired to a front mount, the sts is way lower in hp/tq.we need all the help we can get making power, front mount is the way to go with us. the turbo you'd have to go with to make the sts kit on these car would be too small to make much power, you'd end up running it out of breathe before you make any kind of power.
1998 bright red camaro ,M5 ,Y87 ,stock<br /><br />Originally posted by Rune:<br />If it smells like a turd and looks like a turd, chances are its probably not a candy bar.
why? i have heard they are pretty good, i know a regular turbo is better but if your not looking at making 400hp i dont see a problem with it.
and they dont need to be intercooled either because of the distance the air has to travel to the engine
im probably wrong in my thinking though, cause i know nothing about FI
but it seems good in theory
They're the worst turbo setup ever conceived by man.
STS puts out alot of flat out lies about their stuff, including that you don't need an intercooler, or at least don't need it right away. But, more people are going with the FMIC options than not. They also say that the cooler exhaust gases are more dense, and therefore are "better" at driving the turbine. Not only is that completely wrong, but it goes against 100+ years of turbo engineering. The Exhaust gases have more energy coming out of the exhaust port, and therefore have more energy to drive the turbine. All the way back in your tailpipe, not only are the gases hundreds of degrees cooler, but they have no velocity.
Check out this dyno graph.
Peak numbers are fairly high. That's what people always say about these stupid things, "well they make good power!" But look at how horrible that curve looks. Also notice how it peaks and immediately nose dives. That's a 408 LS1, with a built tranny AND a big stall. He has all the things that help turbos spool, and his big cube turbo LS1 curve still looks like that. Pathetic. Had the guy spent the money on a real turbo setup, he'd have a much better looking curve with a usable power band.
i dont know what the engine was putting out na, but almost 700 hp/torque? and the curve isnt that bad
all im saying is i know that a rear mount turbo will never be as good as a regular turbo, but if youre not looking to make a ton of hp, i dont see a problem with them.
A friend was looking into one of these for his ls1. A guy told him that it was worthless and he would only make like 500hp. Just saying i wouldnt have a problem with 500hp.
but who knows, im probably just talking out my ***
i dont know what the engine was putting out na, but almost 700 hp/torque? and the curve isnt that bad
Yes, the curve is that bad. Real turbo curves don't peak then immediately nosedive. For a Stalled automatic Turbo 408 LS1 that curve is nothing short of pathetic. It has everything working FOR the turbo, and it still looks like a supercharger curve that runs out of air up top.
And notice you got caught in the trap again. The peak numbers drew you away from the other important details.
yeah your right i did get caught in the trap lol. But i still think that if you arent looking to make perfect dyno curves and top hp, a rear mount is a pretty good alternative.
If you arent planning on building a top notch purpose built drag car a rear mount isnt bad at all
yeah your right i did get caught in the trap lol. But i still think that if you arent looking to make perfect dyno curves and top hp, a rear mount is a pretty good alternative.
If you arent planning on building a top notch purpose built drag car a rear mount isnt bad at all
its not just the dyno graph, the car isnt going to be fun to drive, or perform as well on the street as a front mount.
1998 bright red camaro ,M5 ,Y87 ,stock<br /><br />Originally posted by Rune:<br />If it smells like a turd and looks like a turd, chances are its probably not a candy bar.
yeah your right i did get caught in the trap lol. But i still think that if you arent looking to make perfect dyno curves and top hp, a rear mount is a pretty good alternative.
If you arent planning on building a top notch purpose built drag car a rear mount isnt bad at all
Then why not just buy a supercharger?
Rear mounts give you all of the headaches involved with tuning turbo vehicles, but none of the benefits.
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