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[UR50SLO]

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They are both front facing style... they are prity close to being the same.

Both point forward and attatch to the merge pipe.......

Black98V6...... I'd need to have a Camaro front clip and engine here as a mock up to build a realy good pass. side header. There are several local company's that can duplicate it once I've got a good pattern for them. If there are enough people interested in such a item I'll do the research as to cost.
Thanks!
~Scott

[iGoRa]

Re: Members New Turbo Headers done.

They are both front facing style... they are prity close to being the same.

Both point forward and attatch to the merge pipe.......
~Scott

it does not matter where they attached to.
those two are totally different. in design and flow. one is header style manifold and another one is LOG.
Log manifolds dont flow as good as headers thus creating higher back pressure.
Now, 3 cylinders on drivers side with less back pressure and 3 cyl on pass side with higher back pressure..=dis balance, do you think it is gonna do good to your motor?
on the positive side they are shiny and will work , any FI car is better than NA! good work :tup:

[iGoRa]

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ok so now the question some of us would like to know, how much to build one of those setups that keep the AC?

I have decided to keep the AC and build my setup around. there is also under K setup that does not require AC removal but it does have clearance issues. I have tried it and it didnt last long with the roads we have here..
Everyone else with FFH went for performance, so they had no AC in their cars anyways.

[UR50SLO]

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The stock GN manifolds if you've ever seen them or not fantastic. 3 into one on the drivers side and it back feeds directly into a log style manifold. 1 1/2 primarys.
There's guy's that have taken stock GN manifolds all the way into the 9's.

So with the comment to restriction... a non issue unless your going to make over 700rwhp.
~Scott

[iGoRa]

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lol, are you talking about this:


unfortunately yours arnt even close. see for yourself. entire design is different. longer runners they go with the flow, minimum backpressure to the cylinders. yours are super short with no angle=high backpressure.
also, expansion rings, you have used one between cyl 2 and 4 which is good, and another one before the flange witch is almost useless, but i can not see the one between cyl 4 and 6... how come?
even with that buick buys crackling their pass side manifolds and replacing them.
why did you try to create something that others trying to get rid of?

dont want you to to get disappointed, it will work for a while , than you'll upgrade.

[UR50SLO]

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I didn't say that the one's I desigend for this car are close to the GN design. I'm just stating that the GN design is far from being perfect in factory forum from a design standpoint and guy's consistantly go 10's and 9's with them.
Here's my engine bay with GN engine. I use Hooker header 3-1 on drivers side and back feed the stock manifold on the pass. side.
I obvously don't know anything :rolleyes:

[Bonemaro]

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obvously

[black98V6]

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I didn't say that the one's I desigend for this car are close to the GN design. I'm just stating that the GN design is far from being perfect in factory forum from a design standpoint and guy's consistantly go 10's and 9's with them.
Here's my engine bay with GN engine. I use Hooker header 3-1 on drivers side and back feed the stock manifold on the pass. side.
I obvously don't know anything :rolleyes:

sweet, arguing backpressure differences from one side to the other seems silly you are sticking a turbo in the exhaust flow, I think it's funny someone would argue this.

Anyway back to the cost question, I honestly wouldn't waste my time if I were you man, it's really tough to get something like that together, I was hoping that since you had made one for a car that kept it's AC you could just build another off that design. I was thinking if you had already worked the bugs out of the clearance issues for the passenger side you could easily make more.

No biggie, I'm more curious than looking to do this, with 118k miles on my car and climbing, a mortgage and family in the not so distant future I'm not exactly a motivated buyer of something like that right now.

[UR50SLO]

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I had to keep in mind a very tight budjet on both of these setups. (w/air and w/out)

I can't spend the time I did on my car for either of the two I've put together.
They are built to last and support more than the stock engine can dish out.

Right now with the economy screwed up Gas at almost 4.00 a gallon I don't know if we are going to do many events this year. I'm really ticked off about all that stuff going on right now. We are making BIG changes to save money right now. I'm still going to get the White Camaro out next month with the stroker motor/roller cam/re-stalled converter and all the hot side ceramic coated. Should make some single digit passes this year for sure.
There's several things to ballance when making any hot side turbo setup. You've got a tough decision between keeping up the exhaust gas velosity and restriction with smaller pipes/tubes with good responce or larger pipes/tubes with less restriction and higher over-all flow with less low speed responce.
Sometimes you can have a good low restriction header/pipe configuration and use a variable A/R housing and have the best of both worlds.. good responce and good high flow/low resistance... it's all about budjet and time to spend on somthing.
The tune is really the most important part of the setup.... skip that and all the best parts in the world won't make good power.
I've seen guy's pour thousands of dollars in GN parts and skip any kind of tuning/tools in that department and can't get the car's to make the power they want.

Everyone's different... it's suposto be fun and somthing to share and learn with... if it get's too serious it's not fun anymore.
Seen two guys in my area do just that. They ran NMCA several years in Pro-street I'd painted both their cars there for several years. Spent all week working on them and all weekend traveling/racing.. They both ran in the high 6's at 200+
They got burned out and sold all the stuff. One fishes now. lol. They both started out with street cars ... and ended up there.. now they are out. I don't want to do that so I stay with street stuff I can drive anywhere. More fun.. but that's just me.
~Scott

[fatcat]

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I need to know before I get these manifolds if the way on the 3rd gen site is more practical. here is the site:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/v6...ing-turbo.html
Any help would be cool.

[UR50SLO]

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That link does not work.... got another one?
Thanks,Scott

[fatcat]

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try this one
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/v6...ing-turbo.html

[UR50SLO]

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I've talked to that guy on the Hotrodders board. I'm sure it's the same build.
What engine are you working with? year?
There is tons of options.
~Scott

[fatcat]

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I have a 2000 camaro with a 3.8

[UR50SLO]

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There's either a front mount system like you've seen posted here using forward faceing headers or under the k-member.. over the kmember..
Or a STS Universal rear mount system that requires little fabrication and fairly easy instaliation.. Not very expensive.
For someone who is a little intemidated with fab work the STS kit might be a easier choice. There's alot of advantages to the STS style kit. Lower underhood temps. Everything engine wise stays the same. Up to 7or so PSI you won't need a intercooler. AFter that a IC is reccomended. Go to their site and browse around I think you might be suprised :)
I'd still reccomend using HPTuners to change your fuel and timing for boost.
~Scott