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  • What can a 3.4L do to beat a 3.8L?

    Alright, I know anything can happen on the street.

    I have a buddy that wants to know what has to be done for a 3.4L. to beat a 3.8L.

    Any ideas? Thanks!!
    1997 Camaro 30th Anniversary...M5, chrome 16\" 5-stars Goodyear 245/50R16<p><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/issycamaroman\" target=\"_blank\">http://members.cardomain.com/issycamaroman</a>

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    CAI, Exhaust, Gears/LSD, Weight reduction, N20 (hehe). is it a M5 or A4?
    2005 Cavalier LS Sport M5<br /> <a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/firefighter8615\" target=\"_blank\">http://members.cardomain.com/firefighter8615</a>

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    • #3
      yea id say to start with - auto or manual.

      if its an auto, a lot more has to be done as they are not as "strong" as the manuals.

      if its a manual..well thats a great starting point.

      either way - intake/exhaust(full 3" catback).
      better spark plug wires and platinum plugs (if you arent running n20) -- irridium if you can afford it.
      K&N FIPK or SLP CAI.

      theres more you can do if you really wanna make the 3.4 hard to catch, but thats a good starting list, and the rest of the stuff can get more expensive.

      -R

      hybrid - \'\'hI-br&d - The offspring of a cross between species.
      Co-Founder West Coast F-Bodies
      West Coast F-Bodies Car Club - WCFB Message Board

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      • #4
        I suppose you'd just have to have more mods than the 3.8 that you're racing!

        As far as I know, if you have the exact same mods as a 3.8, the 3.8 will still win - it's just plain old got more displacement.

        If you've got a M5, work on your launch and technique. That's where you'll beat the 3.8 that has your mods.
        Tom<br />Too many mods for this sig.<br /><a href=\"http://www.l337server.com/Tom/cars.html\" target=\"_blank\">My car\'s site</a><br /><br /><a href=\"http://www.FullThrottleV6.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.FullThrottleV6.com</a>

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        • #5
          get a head start [img]smile.gif[/img]

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          • #6
            speaking of m5 and a4, howdo you know which model your firebird is?
            1995 Firebird (3.4) <br />Eagle 18\" 077<br />Flowmaster 80 (2.75\") series exhaust<br />2.5\" Car Sound Cat<br />K&N Cold Air Intake <br />Alpine 12\" Type E Sub<br />Bazooka EL 1500 Amp<br />Pinoeer deh4400 and Aftermarket Speakers<br /> <a href=\"http://www.sounddomain.com/id/fbird\" target=\"_blank\">http://www.sounddomain.com/id/fbird</a>

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            • #7
              If its a 3.4 auto and a 3.8 auto (with 3.08's) intake and exhaust will keep him close. Cut-outs are great for a little better top end.

              If its a manual 3.4 and a auto 3.8 I'd say exhaust would keep it close.

              Manual vs Manual - see the first one plus maybe some gears (the manual 3.8's have 3.23's)

              auto 3.4 vs manual 3.8 Gears, posi, intake exhaust and a good launch

              Tell him to try to keep the race around an 1/8 mile if he can, the 3.4 has a greater advantage in the shorter races due to its stronger lower range.
              \'95 Med. Quasar Blue Camaro 3.4 A4<br />Bunch o\' mods<br /><b>10.18 @ 67.60 mph 2.22 60 ft (1/8 mile)</b> <br /><br />-1986 Camaro with a carbed 350<br /><b>8.53 @ 81.45mph 1.8 60\'</b><br />AIM CamaroL32

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              • #8
                fbird - M5 means Manual 5 Speed and A4 means automatic 4 speed
                \'95 Med. Quasar Blue Camaro 3.4 A4<br />Bunch o\' mods<br /><b>10.18 @ 67.60 mph 2.22 60 ft (1/8 mile)</b> <br /><br />-1986 Camaro with a carbed 350<br /><b>8.53 @ 81.45mph 1.8 60\'</b><br />AIM CamaroL32

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                • #9
                  Thanks everybody for the feedback, it helps a ton!

                  [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
                  1997 Camaro 30th Anniversary...M5, chrome 16\" 5-stars Goodyear 245/50R16<p><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/issycamaroman\" target=\"_blank\">http://members.cardomain.com/issycamaroman</a>

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                  • #10
                    NAAAWWWSSSSSS!
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                    • #11
                      spray it
                      Keith - Chicago<br /><a href=\"http://www.hptuners.com\" target=\"_blank\">HP Tuners - PCM Reprogramming</a><br /><a href=\"http://www.dxsoftware.com/magnus/\" target=\"_blank\">97 Firebird V6 to LS1 swap</a><br /><b>V8 9.967@132.78</b> 1.322 60\' NA Heads/Cam<br /><b>V8 10.295@128.48</b> 1.363 60\' NA Cam Only<br /><b>V8 10.987@119.31</b> 1.422 60\' NA Stock Internals<br /><b>V6 13.674@98.22</b> NA<br /><b>V6 12.394@104.91</b> N20 100HP

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                      • #12
                        Gears/lsd, full intake and exhaust.

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                        • #13
                          <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by youngcamarokid:
                          Alright, I know anything can happen on the street.

                          I have a buddy that wants to know what has to be done for a 3.4L. to beat a 3.8L.

                          Any ideas? Thanks!!
                          <hr></blockquote>

                          who me?

                          If he's talking about me it would be a manual vs a manual.

                          I have a cat-back and looking into a CAI, TURBO!, or LT-1 swap, so if i get one of those mods I'd win [img]tongue.gif[/img] but untill then...
                          Also, I have no emission laws so I could pull my cat converter...
                          SO I THINK I'D WIN! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

                          [ May 29, 2003: Message edited by: BadLiLBowtie ]</p>

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                          • #14
                            <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by fbird:
                            speaking of m5 and a4, howdo you know which model your firebird is?<hr></blockquote>
                            does your fire bird have automatic or manual tranny?

                            A4 = Automatic 4 speed
                            M5 = Manual 5 Speed

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