Quickest/Cheapest way to 13's...

[redthunder96]

Right now I have an SLP CAI installed, and Pacesetter Headers, SLP Loudmouth, and a Carsound #94009 hi-flow catalytic converter on the way...

Once I get all that done I should be in low 15's right? Possibly a high 14?

Anyway, what is the best way to go from here to get into the mid 13's? (to be able to hang with LT1s and LS1s)

Money is a factor, so I'm looking for the cheapest, quickest way.. I've considered anything from a torque converter to 4.10's to a 75 shot of nitrous to a cam as my next mod.. Any advice?

[Dre96Firebird]

best bang for the buck is a nitrous kit. 75 shot should get you down with the mods u listed above and if u practice at the track

[67-03 RIP]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Money is a factor, so I'm looking for the cheapest, quickest way.. I've considered anything from a torque converter to 4.10's to a 75 shot of nitrous to a cam as my next mod.. Any advice? <hr></blockquote>

YES :D Mid 13's won't be a quick "bolt on and done deal" Check peoples ETs in the timeslip section and see what they're running to get a better idea of the things you'll need.

Ron

[Hugger3800]

Dear 67-03 RIP

I think you need to change your name, F-Bodys died in 2002 not 2003. Off the topic but just my 2 cents.

[67-03 RIP]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>I think you need to change your name, F-Bodys died in 2002 not 2003. Off the topic but just my 2 cents.

<hr></blockquote>

My friend died in 2003, but thanks anyway

[Hugger3800]

I'm sorry to hear that man, my condolences. I assumed you were speaking of f-bodies since I saw your timeline and I appologize.
-Geoff

[67-03 RIP]

Thanks and no worries...
Never thought about that now that you mention it though - Guess I would have thought the same thing.

Ok.....Back to 13's......Sorry RedThunder96..Let's take it closer to the top..

[ September 05, 2003: Message edited by: 67-03 RIP ]</p>

[redthunder96]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr> YES Mid 13's won't be a quick "bolt on and done deal" Check peoples ETs in the timeslip section and see what they're running to get a better idea of the things you'll need. <hr></blockquote>

I know mid 13's aren't easy to acheive, or you'd see everyone with a 3.8 running them.. That's obviously not the case.. It looks like those people in the timeslips section have a combination of just about any set of mods... Hard to nail down one set thing.. Seems like they all have either a cam or some sort of power adder though, or both.. How much would an aftermarket cam cost (plus installation) and what would it's gains be compared to a nitrous system? How much would the nitrous system and all safety components cost me (I'm guessing 1,000)?

Has anyone added 4.10's with similar mods to what I have - how much will that get me?

Right now I'm leaning towards nitrous or a cam, since 4.10's would kill my top end and mess up my speedometer.. Are there any other ways people have hit 13's though?

As far as how limited my funds are.. Right now I have right around 1,000.. I might have a couple thousand to spend by the end of the year, so I won't have enough for a supercharger, but I should be able to afford most other mods...

Thanks for the help so far...

[AlienInv8r]

Rent an LS1 Corvette from one of those exotic car rentals ;)

Unless you can install that cam yourself, you're gonna be lookin at like $500 for a mechanic install, I think that's what people have been saying. I think to get 13's NA would be hard, and it seems people mod out their car and only get that after a lot of practice. It does, however, seem that people that use nitrous just take a few shake down runs and grab a 13 rather easily (relatively speaking)

[redthunder96]

OK, so it looks like my best bet would be nitrous, probably a 75 shot? Maybe 100...

With the mods I have now, a 75 shot, TransGo Shift Kit, and a Vette Servo, would I be in the mid 13's?

If you figure right now I'm probably gonna be running 15.0's and 15.1's, the shift kit and servo should get me a few tenths, and the 75 shot a little over a second hopefully?

That might be the cheapest way...

[Ian]

you ever think about the SuperSix 3800 package? itd be a safe bet that with the PCM tuning and the package, and your mods, you'd be hitting high 13's if not better.

[67-03 RIP]

Thunder - Do you have a track near by? It would be nice to get a baseline after you get all your current stuff installed and see where the car's
at for sure. I like the idea of nitrous - it may allow you to stay more "driveable" (if it's a concern)when you're not going full out. Torque converter may be a good upgrade also, although it will definately dip into your budget if you need it installed and may cause a traction issue even with the Z28 suspension. The servor is pretty cheap at around $40 and you could probably do the install yourself or with help from some friends. Maybe even a MAFT+ for some fine tuning w/nitrous (got a good deal on a used one myself..), although that would probably be lower on the list due to needing a scan tool also.

Make sure to take advantage of free weight reduction!

Good Luck - Sounds like you have a plan started and are doing some research before just filling up a shopping cart and hoping it works. Real world strip testing will be invaluable in helping see where you're at and if you're going to start encountering traction problems.

Ron

[redthunder96]

I do have a track nearby, but I'm still trying to convince my parents (I'm only 17) that it's safe.. So for now I'm stuck estimating, but I'm hoping to squeeze a trip to the track in sometime in the next couple of months..

Right now I'm guessing 15.3's.. I beat an Eclipse GT before I put the CAI on, and they're supposed to run 15.3's, so I figure it's a conservative estimate now that I have the SLP CAI on.. And I'm expecting the headers and 3" exhaust and cat to shave a few tenths off, getting me right around 15.0-15.1...

My only concern with nitrous is the wear and tear with the engine, but I've heard a 75 shot wouldn't cause a lot of problems so I'll have to look into it.. You made a good point about retaining normal driveability.. It wouldn't hurt the gas mileage as much either, being as I'd only use it when I needed it. That's probably the way I'm leaning right now... Thanks for the input..

If my estimates are right of being at around 15-15.1 with the headers and exhaust, do you think I'm estimating right that a 75 shot of nitrous, the TransGo shift kit and a corvette servo would get me to mid 13's? I'm thinking I might need a torque converter as well to get me there, but like you said, that will end up being pretty costly if I need it installed, being as it'll push 800 once shipping is figured in.

[Mighty Thor]

Nitrous is definately the way to go. I don't know about the 4.10 gears though. It great for take off's but will kill your top end. I think 3.73 is perhaps the right one. But then again with Nitrous, top end with that kind of gear would work out fine. Hmm

How about a 12 sec. V6? A combo of SC and Nitrous.

Off Topic: How do you like your pacesetter. Do you feel the difference, alot? Any leaks?

[ka50]

http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/

Remember, if you plan on keepin your engine for a while, I wouldn't recomend nitrious. You're creating a whole lot of pressure in very restrictive heads. If what they are saying on the site is true, then I'd say it's quite bang for the buck.

Also, 4.10 won't kill your top end, they'll make it a lot better. Yes, the theoretical top speed will be limited, but actual top speed should remain about the same.

[ September 06, 2003: Message edited by: ka50 ]</p>