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    Keith, do you know what belt size we need to bypass the power steering on the 3.8l? I run the shortbelt all the time on my LS1, but was wondering the size for the V6.

    Also, what wire do I need to ground out to lock the torque converter up on the dyno?

    Thanks!!

    Jason
    <b>99 Trans Am- Bright Red 6 speed</b><br /><br /><a href=\"http://thunderracing.com/projects/?action=read&pgid=86\" target=\"_blank\">348ci forged shortblock, Thunder Racing ported 5.3l heads, Cam Motion 246/250 110lsa hyd. roller cam, Moser 12-bolt (4.56/spool)</a><br /><br /><b><i>10.32@131.70, 1.43 60\' - 3238 raceweight, +675\' DA</b></i>

  • #2
    ok the number is - 610k6
    this is for the kelly springfield series
    97 CAMARO RS<br />12.9@103mph<br />best 60ft..1.9 ( on street tires)<br /> 1.7 (on gas)<br />turbo supra 12.5@119mph (street tires)<br />new times to come sporting the sp63gt

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    • #3
      Hey Mike Malloy what size would that be? Or where could we get one of these 610k6 kelly springfield series? I would love to do that at the track. I mean I have heard as much as a 3 tenth drop with the bypass. thanks [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]
      <a href=\"http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Street/6330/VicCamaro.html\" target=\"_blank\"><b>*1997 Silver Camaro A4/3.08*</b></a><br /><b>Best 1/4</b>(December 17, 2003)<br />Race weight: 3580lbs w/driver <br />RT: .396 1/4: 14.93 60\': 2.08 MPH: 89.73<br /><b>Mods</b><br />&gt;Flowmaster 80 muffler (muffler only) &gt;Homemade cold air with K&N 1000cfm cone filter &gt;Trans-go Shift Kit &gt;2400-2600 TCI converter<p><b>*1969 Camaro SS*</b><br />*502ci (92-octane pump gas)<br />*2-speed powerglide<br /><b>Best 1/4:</b>1.34 60ft 9.78@138.12mph (Aug 16, 2003)

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      • #4
        Thanks for the info.

        Any idea on locking the torque converter up?
        <b>99 Trans Am- Bright Red 6 speed</b><br /><br /><a href=\"http://thunderracing.com/projects/?action=read&pgid=86\" target=\"_blank\">348ci forged shortblock, Thunder Racing ported 5.3l heads, Cam Motion 246/250 110lsa hyd. roller cam, Moser 12-bolt (4.56/spool)</a><br /><br /><b><i>10.32@131.70, 1.43 60\' - 3238 raceweight, +675\' DA</b></i>

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        • #5
          <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Silver97Camaro:
          Hey Mike Malloy what size would that be? Or where could we get one of these 610k6 kelly springfield series? I would love to do that at the track. I mean I have heard as much as a 3 tenth drop with the bypass. thanks [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

          hahahaha maybe .01 gain with shortbelt on our cars

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          • #6
            Yeah that may be true. But we can hope. I mean all the LS1 guys I have talked to have picked up between 2-3 tenths. So we shouldn't be to far behind. I mean it still takes power to run the power steering pump. We have to get something from it. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]
            <a href=\"http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Street/6330/VicCamaro.html\" target=\"_blank\"><b>*1997 Silver Camaro A4/3.08*</b></a><br /><b>Best 1/4</b>(December 17, 2003)<br />Race weight: 3580lbs w/driver <br />RT: .396 1/4: 14.93 60\': 2.08 MPH: 89.73<br /><b>Mods</b><br />&gt;Flowmaster 80 muffler (muffler only) &gt;Homemade cold air with K&N 1000cfm cone filter &gt;Trans-go Shift Kit &gt;2400-2600 TCI converter<p><b>*1969 Camaro SS*</b><br />*502ci (92-octane pump gas)<br />*2-speed powerglide<br /><b>Best 1/4:</b>1.34 60ft 9.78@138.12mph (Aug 16, 2003)

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            • #7
              <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Silver97Camaro:
              I mean all the LS1 guys I have talked to have picked up between 2-3 tenths. <hr></blockquote>

              You are not going to see 2-3 tenths on a LS1 car by simply doing the shortbelt and bypassing the powersteering. We have dynoed this mod many times and routinely see 2-3rwhp on various cars.
              <b>99 Trans Am- Bright Red 6 speed</b><br /><br /><a href=\"http://thunderracing.com/projects/?action=read&pgid=86\" target=\"_blank\">348ci forged shortblock, Thunder Racing ported 5.3l heads, Cam Motion 246/250 110lsa hyd. roller cam, Moser 12-bolt (4.56/spool)</a><br /><br /><b><i>10.32@131.70, 1.43 60\' - 3238 raceweight, +675\' DA</b></i>

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              • #8
                you can pick one up at autozone. your going to man handle the thing on.

                also i was thinking of bypassing everything but the waterpump. for track use only. i bet it would help some..
                97 CAMARO RS<br />12.9@103mph<br />best 60ft..1.9 ( on street tires)<br /> 1.7 (on gas)<br />turbo supra 12.5@119mph (street tires)<br />new times to come sporting the sp63gt

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                • #9
                  610K6 bypasses the AC, Idler and Tensioner.

                  I ran an even shorter 3 ribbed belt once bypassing the power steering and it was worth .0 and 0mph at the track. Absolutely Nothing.. I did many back to back runs with and without it.

                  In a straight line where the PS isn't being used, there just isn't enough load to bypass to see a gain.

                  To bypass the PS i did have to run the water pump backwards.
                  Keith - Chicago<br /><a href=\"http://www.hptuners.com\" target=\"_blank\">HP Tuners - PCM Reprogramming</a><br /><a href=\"http://www.dxsoftware.com/magnus/\" target=\"_blank\">97 Firebird V6 to LS1 swap</a><br /><b>V8 9.967@132.78</b> 1.322 60\' NA Heads/Cam<br /><b>V8 10.295@128.48</b> 1.363 60\' NA Cam Only<br /><b>V8 10.987@119.31</b> 1.422 60\' NA Stock Internals<br /><b>V6 13.674@98.22</b> NA<br /><b>V6 12.394@104.91</b> N20 100HP

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                  • #10
                    It is interesting that you guys are not experiencing any measureable gain from the short belt. I have been leafing through back issues of Hot Rod magazine, and in the October 2000 issue they feature a 2000 LS1 Camaro NA that they dialed down to a best of 11.47 @ 120.45. The last mod they did was put a power steering bypass short belt on the car, and they proclaim it was worth three tenths - taking the car from 11.76 @ 118.20 to 11.47. I found this hard to believe myself, but I figure a 3 tenth gain on an 11 second car is a LOT of horsepower. My 3.4 would love to have that extra power!

                    If you guys are seeing 2-3 HP and no ET improvements, I am perplexed at how they could gain three tenths.

                    The engine was turning 6800 RPM and maybe that's the difference. Agree? Other ideas?
                    1995 Camaro M5 3.4 Quasar Blue Metallic with T-tops.<br />K&N, Jet Stage II chip, Z28 exhaust, 1LE aluminum ds. Need more power!<br />Next: Auburn posi<br />1976 Pontiac Trans Am. Street driven. Has low compression 350 Chevy runs 12.81 @ 104, 1.73 60\'

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