Full Bolt On Car

[Smoke Panther]

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quick97bird, I'm getting headers to 1-improve the exhaust flow which will be needed for a nice cam, and 2- hopefully get a meaner sound from the car. Once summer's over, the rear seats will be removed, along with the spare and jack. I'm getting 3.73's soon since it's a DD highway driven car, otherwise I would have gone with 4.10's :D..

But it's your DD. Why are you getting a cam, it's your DD. Taking seats out and going to a higher ratio gears? It's your DD.

DD. DD. DD. DD.

seriously, all that stuff is not linear with DDing. So, looks like you have a bit of an idenity crisis right now...you need to decide if you're going to mod for power or for DDing; trying to do both will net you little advancement in either category and hurt your wallet.

[97rs4life]

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But it's your DD. Why are you getting a cam, it's your DD. Taking seats out and going to a higher ratio gears? It's your DD.

DD. DD. DD. DD.

seriously, all that stuff is not linear with DDing. So, looks like you have a bit of an idenity crisis right now...you need to decide if you're going to mod for power or for DDing; trying to do both will net you little advancement in either category and hurt your wallet.

cams are fine for DD if they are not huge or have tuning...removing rear seats that are pointless in our cars is fine for DD..higher gears are fine for a DD unless you are driving 1-2 hours a day on the highway...

[notsonic]

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suspension makes the car better for DD.

it wont ride like a boat.

[Smoke Panther]

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cams are fine for DD if they are not huge or have tuning...removing rear seats that are pointless in our cars is fine for DD..higher gears are fine for a DD unless you are driving 1-2 hours a day on the highway...

regardless, the stock cam and stock gears are better for DDing than an aftermarket cam. Also, higher gears and those gears/cams that are "ok" for DDing would get pistol-whipped by cars with taller gears and more aggressive cams, all that cost the exact same.
This is what I'm talking about as far as "trying to do both"; you end up throwing alot of money at a car only to get luke-warm results compared to other cars with similar mods done, but no "it's my DD" complex holding them back. Ever hear of the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none" before? By trying to do both, you'll end up with a car that will be out-performed by cars that are made strictly for DDing and by cars made strictly for racing, and the only consolation prize you get is having a thousand dollars less in your bank account

[Firebird45331]

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a suspension upgrade will also help with weight transfer when you go down the strip. I've heard of people removing their front sway bar and getting an old pair of shocks on the front to let the front end come up on their cars. Transfer your battery to the trunk, and i don't know if it's made for 4th Gens, but you could always look into getting polycarbonate glass panels.

[Smoke Panther]

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relocating the battery to the trunk requires long lengths of battery cable, which is heavy and expensive. It would be much better, performance-wise, to spend the money on one of those light-weight, leak-free batteries

[Vanquish]

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regardless, the stock cam and stock gears are better for DDing than an aftermarket cam. Also, higher gears and those gears/cams that are "ok" for DDing would get pistol-whipped by cars with taller gears and more aggressive cams, all that cost the exact same.
This is what I'm talking about as far as "trying to do both"; you end up throwing alot of money at a car only to get luke-warm results compared to other cars with similar mods done, but no "it's my DD" complex holding them back. Ever hear of the saying "Jack of all trades, master of none" before? By trying to do both, you'll end up with a car that will be out-performed by cars that are made strictly for DDing and by cars made strictly for racing, and the only consolation prize you get is having a thousand dollars less in your bank account

He does have a very valid point. You do have to decide if you want this to be a DD and have the luxury of a DD or have it modded for race satisfactory and still have a DD that will have you sitting at a gas pump a little more.
I believe everyone on this board who is into performance aside from sound and looks made the decision a long time ago where they wanted their car to go, and it wasn't to spend all the time and money modding it to still be the same DD they once had. So, you really have to make a choice before you start spending big dollars on a lucrative cam that will show only small results and anything else you plan to do to it, to get more ponies.

[Smoke Panther]

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So, you really have to make a choice before you start spending big dollars on a lucrative cam that will show only small results and anything else you plan to do to it, to get more ponies.

That's another thing most people don't realize...3.73s cost the exact same as 4.10s, and big cams cost the nearly the same as small cams (if you buy it from the same company). So, theoretically, someone could spend near the same amount of money in their car, but because they're truly focused, their car would back-hand a car where the owner tried to do everything

[RadRacer]

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wow.....I didn't mean to start this whole war, I just wanted to know what was left for me to do (besides suspension) before I go into the motor. Yes this will be a DD, but a few more $$ at the pump isn't going to break me. Right now I'm pulling 24-27MPG out my *** while driving this like a *****! The 3.73's might help me out mileage wise since I do alot of city (it's about 1/2 and 1/2), and the cam shouldn't alter it that much, it should still remain above 20MPH. I know I could go all out and get a high-end kick *** cam for the same price, but I don't care. Sure some people go all out with their cars, but that's cuz they can afford to have another car incase this one blows. I, however, can't. I want a semi-mild cam (VS or GT1 or 2) to give it a nicer sound, and some performance, but still be able to know my car will get me from point A to point B without me having to get out and push. I'm not looking to have the fastest car around, I just want to add abit more ponies. The main reason why I'm even doing the cam is for the sound :drool: the performance increase is just a plus.

[Smoke Panther]

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The main reason why I'm even doing the cam is for the sound :drool:

If that's the only reason you're getting a cam, you will quickly grow to hate, regret, and loathe your car.

[RadRacer]

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If that's the only reason you're getting a cam, you will quickly grow to hate, regret, and loathe your car.

Why's that?

[Smoke Panther]

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because, if all you're looking for is a better exhaust note, the amount of work you put in is not proportional to the benefit. For example, imagine paying a hooker $600 for a handjob...got that scenario in your head? Good, cuz that's what you're about to do. What I'm trying to say is that cams can do so much more than what you're paying for.
Now, if you want power and speed at the track, then cam's are worth every penny/hour spent on them

[RadRacer]

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I want the power and all, what I meant was that I picked a cam over N2O or S/C or w/e cause of the sound.

[IDoVoodoo]

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I see where you're coming from RadRacer trying to find a good medium. Working on your car doesn't have to be about all or nothing. It's not either stock cam or "stage 67" cam.

[RadRacer]

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I see where you're coming from RadRacer trying to find a good medium. Working on your car doesn't have to be about all or nothing. It's not either stock cam or "stage 67" cam.

Thank you. I'm not wanting the world's fastest V6 around, I'm just looking for a nice, reliable DD that's fun to drive.