hydrogen generator

[tomham]

one of my buddies from school here made a hydrogen genorator for his escort and went from 31 to 52 mpg do these actually work and how would it work on a camaro? would it run rich or lean throw codes? what could i expect on my car with one?



i really would like any and all information on these he offered to help me build one but i want to know the side effects and benifits from them first





Thanks every one

[flamingchicken]

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so me and my dad made one and put it on his truck, i dont know if we did a whole bunch of stuff wrong or what, but we could never get any results. good bad or indifferent.

did your buddy use a kit? cause we home made one.

[nimrod.sixty9]

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It does nothing.......

You cannot create energy. You change it from one form to another. You cannot get out more than you put in, not even 100% efficiency.

[flamingchicken]

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^do you even know what we are talking about??

[tomham]

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ok thats what i was thinking but im realy wondering because he swear that it gained him that much and i did actually see that it produced hydrogen

[tomham]

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^do you even know what we are talking about??

lmao i dont have any idea im about ready to believe any one i just dont wana waste time and money or mess up my car

[flamingchicken]

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the one we made did. we could light the exit tube after we turned it off to burn the remaining hydrogen off. like a while after we turned it off.

[camaroman1181]

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^do you even know what we are talking about??

while his point was quickly worded, his point is still valid. energy cannot be either created or destroyed, merely changed in form. This is called the law of conservation of energy.

check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

to be honest, I don't put much stock in these types of devices, and I'm not all that familiar with this particular gadget. I did a quick google search to find more stuff... I came across this gem, right on one of their pages:

"This is not new technology. We’ve been using water to gas converters in our vehicles for over 4 years. This is proven technology. Using a simple device, you can use the electricity from your battery to separate water (H2O) into a gas known as HHO. HHO is two parts Hydrogen and 1 part Oxygen. HHO is a supercharged gas that burns effectively and produces significant energy, greatly improving your fuel economy. Incredibly, the waste product is water!" (website: http://www.gas4free.com/?hop=kevinkanny)


Oh really now... so let me get this straight.. you "convert" H2O, into HHO... and this new, supercharged gas, produces significant energy... and the waste is water??? Hmm.. wonder if that could be because you "converted" water to water, which then produced "waste" of water... only, i dont see a whole lot of energy being released.

I do not doubt electrolysis... it is a proven means of producing hydrogen. However, to produce it in any useful quantities, is the hard part. Follow me here.. you need current to pass through water, to seperate molecules to form 2*H2 + O2. and when you combust H2, you combine it with O2, and get more H2O. But the reason we aren't all driving around in cars that run for years off of a gallon of water, is that it takes too much current to split the water back to hydrogen and oxygen. Yes, these systems are only meant to assist a gas engine. But your alternator is working overtime to create the current, to create the hydrogen. And yes, they do produce some hydrogen. But the amount they produce is not enough to significantly affect the overall engine power output.

This is essentially a gimmick along the lines of electric superchargers, electric "gasoline atom arrangers" that clip onto your fuel line, and acetone. All ideas that are semi based on science, but fail their respective litmus tests.

I kept reading that page and came across these world class lines as well:

"A car running on water runs cooler which helps the overall effect of global warming due to the heat emitted by running machinery each and every day." (thats not even close to the cause of global warming)

"Your new clean burning engine will only add water and oxygen to the atmosphere instead of carbon and chemical particulates that cause toxic smog!" (you are still burning gas, so no)

this website is walking the lines of fraud...

[tomham]

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yes i agree that website is a fraud he does not just use water in his he mixes some chemicle with water idk what it is i think it was potasium something i know a lot of the website ones are trash for sure but im wondering if he actually has something or not he swears up and down that it works and offered to help me make one for free so it sounds legit but i have no idea if its just in his head or something.

I guess we are going to put it on the dyno at school here in 6 or 7 weeks and test it with and with out for power and emmisions but that still wont prove anything as far as gas milage goes

[nimrod.sixty9]

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^do you even know what we are talking about??

Yes... I know, I shouldn't have blurted it out like that. Sorry, Ive just had to point out some of the obvious flaws to so many diff people that swear it will get you a 100% increase in MPG. I gets redundant to the point ya get pissed. So I have given up trying to convince them and take them back to this basic law, which proves this thing pointless...

Point here; If this thing did give more power to the car (or what ever else they claim it does) you would lose it by the alternator. Because your using the current and all your doing is converting from one form of energy to another (law again). And since you cant get 100% efficiency, it proves to have a negative effect :D

^^^ So thats why I posted what I did, because its all thats needed to be posted :P ...

Now if you add a chemical, thats different, but your just getting energy from that as well. Not what Ive seen this contraption is about...

[cam98aro]

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i understand what you guys are saying, but think for a second

yes your alternator will be working harder, but its not going to cause more stress on the engine, its not going to take more power from the engine to run the hydrogen thing (im speaking from the engines standpoint, a harder working alternator is not going to cause more friction on the engine that will rob more power)

its the same thing as having a stereo system in your car with 3 12" subs in it, the alternator will be working harder, but your engine wont work harder to power them since the alternator creates the same load on the engine no matter if it is disconnected, or working 100%

so in a sense, this hydrogen thing would work, but you would need a beefier alternator in order to properly get it to work without weakening the spark of the engine (im sure people notice that with some stock alternators, when you turn the stereo all of the way up, every time the bass hits their lights dim)

i have no experience with different types of alternators, but i would have to guess it wouldn't stress the engine out more than a stock one.

[tomham]

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well i guess i probaly wont do anything untill we run his car on the dyno and run some emmisions tests idk how much it will show but mabey i will find something out. is there anyone on the site that actually has experiance with this? besides flamingchicken i wonder if your did work or if you did it wrong but mabey the truck was to big to notice a difference i do see that if there was a difference you would notive in in a little escort

[cam98aro]

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well i guess i probaly wont do anything untill we run his car on the dyno and run some emmisions tests idk how much it will show but mabey i will find something out. is there anyone on the site that actually has experiance with this? besides flamingchicken i wonder if your did work or if you did it wrong but mabey the truck was to big to notice a difference i do see that if there was a difference you would notive in in a little escort

well isnt your friend proof that it worked?

or could he just be bsing you?

i know a guy who was going to do that with his car, and he researched it for over a year, but i lost contact with him, so i have no idea what ever happened with it,but i could try and find out.

you can figure the emissions stuff out by doing chemistry, but i forget how to do that stuff, its been since 10th grade since i did a formula, but i do recall seeing h2o as a byproduct of combustion

[ne0hisda0ne]

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Yeah, why not just use a bigger alternator or figure out how to hook two of them up and use one just for engine and the other for the electrolisis?

I also don't get, why can't you get a bigger boom from the same spark with different "gases". I would think the "bigger" boom would be a stronger push forward?

[cam98aro]

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Yeah, why not just use a bigger alternator or figure out how to hook two of them up and use one just for engine and the other for the electrolisis?

I also don't get, why can't you get a bigger boom from the same spark with different "gases". I would think the "bigger" boom would be a stronger push forward?

a weaker spark usually makes combustion harder to happen