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Alternators create a higher load on the engine as they are tasked to produce more current. So trying to perform electrolysis on a scale large enough to have any effect on engine performance will most likely either be a wash performance-wise or will have a negative effect because nothing is 100% efficient.
Alternators create a higher load on the engine as they are tasked to produce more current. So trying to perform electrolysis on a scale large enough to have any effect on engine performance will most likely either be a wash performance-wise or will have a negative effect because nothing is 100% efficient.
i understand that but also if you think about you use engergy to conver the unsuable energy into useable energy so i might be completely wrong but you are efficently creating more usable engergy and i also believe that you would notice the big gain on highway driving and not in town because you have a constant halfway low rpm so you would use hydrogen instead of some of your gas i have no idea i might try it out after we dyno his car in 6 or 7 weeks just to see if it does any thing i will document everything and might sell kits if it all works
i understand that but also if you think about you use engergy to conver the unsuable energy into useable energy so i might be completely wrong but you are efficently creating more usable engergy and i also believe that you would notice the big gain on highway driving and not in town because you have a constant halfway low rpm so you would use hydrogen instead of some of your gas i have no idea i might try it out after we dyno his car in 6 or 7 weeks just to see if it does any thing i will document everything and might sell kits if it all works
not really the unusable energy from a car is lost during combustion in the form of heat and sound
thats kinda like saying that you are going to get a battery to turn a motor (dc motor, not an engine) to turn an alternator, which will charge the battery back up
its not going to happen that way because of all of the wasted energy you have spinning the motor which is then spinning the alternator, even with different gearing/pullies it will not be able to make up for it
now, i tend to think differently about having a high output alternator on a car (or another alternator dedicated for this process) because really now, an alternator doesnt take much effort to turn at all, im not familiar with the process, but i dont think the minimal amount of load put on the engine would overcome the process to get hydrogen from water.. but its just a thought, im not really sure how much energy it requires
It doesnt matter how many alts you put on, the law still applies. Your changing one form of energy to another. And your getting less efficient each time... Therfor a negative effect... (Closed system)
But if you add a chemical to the reaction, then thats different. Kind of like adding more gas. But in this reaction, it will eventually disappear... Like gas.
Now something that would be worth while, is useing the wasted converted energy. HEAT...
I've seen a bunch of stuff in different places about this hydrogen system. A key factor in internal combustion engines is efficiency. Obviously, the higher the efficiency, the better the mileage/performance. I've heard that diesel engines perfom better with hydrogen but I have seen no proof. Think about this - there is an ideal fuel to 02 ratio which will provide improved mileage. The only way I see that you may improve mileage with hydrogen is to lean out your gasoline to 02 ratio and increase the hydrogen to 02 ratio. This will in effect use less gasoline = more MPG. So who has tuned their vehicle to this equation? No one. Sooooo, if you have free hydrogen production and tune your vehicle to use less gas and more H, then you will get better miles. I don't think any H system is large enough to produce the amount of hydrogen to see a big difference. In chem class it took quite a while to produce an insignificant amount of H. Send in a request to myth busters - Yo.
I've seen a bunch of stuff in different places about this hydrogen system. A key factor in internal combustion engines is efficiency. Obviously, the higher the efficiency, the better the mileage/performance. I've heard that diesel engines perfom better with hydrogen but I have seen no proof. Think about this - there is an ideal fuel to 02 ratio which will provide improved mileage. The only way I see that you may improve mileage with hydrogen is to lean out your gasoline to 02 ratio and increase the hydrogen to 02 ratio. This will in effect use less gasoline = more MPG. So who has tuned their vehicle to this equation? No one. Sooooo, if you have free hydrogen production and tune your vehicle to use less gas and more H, then you will get better miles. I don't think any H system is large enough to produce the amount of hydrogen to see a big difference. In chem class it took quite a while to produce an insignificant amount of H. Send in a request to myth busters - Yo.
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he said hes spent $7 on checmicle for the last 6 months so it would be cheaper then gas and i dont think it puts out a whole lot but at highway speeds if the thing is working steadily it will provide a difference he claims he has a lil 4 cylinder so im sure he notices a lot bigger boost then bigger cars wouldent the 02 sensors read the exhaust and therefore cause it to add less fuel?
Yes... I know, I shouldn't have blurted it out like that. Sorry, Ive just had to point out some of the obvious flaws to so many diff people that swear it will get you a 100% increase in MPG. I gets redundant to the point ya get pissed. So I have given up trying to convince them and take them back to this basic law, which proves this thing pointless...
Point here; If this thing did give more power to the car (or what ever else they claim it does) you would lose it by the alternator. Because your using the current and all your doing is converting from one form of energy to another (law again). And since you cant get 100% efficiency, it proves to have a negative effect :D
^^^ So thats why I posted what I did, because its all thats needed to be posted :P ...
Now if you add a chemical, thats different, but your just getting energy from that as well. Not what Ive seen this contraption is about...
what i was mainly getting at is that you arent creating energy you are just changing forms. charging water with electricity produces hydrogen.
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he said hes spent $7 on checmicle for the last 6 months so it would be cheaper then gas and i dont think it puts out a whole lot but at highway speeds if the thing is working steadily it will provide a difference he claims he has a lil 4 cylinder so im sure he notices a lot bigger boost then bigger cars wouldent the 02 sensors read the exhaust and therefore cause it to add less fuel?
the whole premise behind hydrogen generators is the fact that they run off of water...no chemicals involved.
Team NoVa
2000 Firebird- Intake, Pacesetters, !cat, full 2.5 to flowcrapster, 1.9 rockers, LS6 springs and Intense modded retainers, WS6 speedlines, T/A bumpers and hatch, 5 spd swapped, SOON TO BE nitrous'd and cammed.
They have already done it, they used the water method...nothing...then they sprayed straight hydrogen gas into the carb with the gas cell disconnected and it started and ran while he was pumping it straight in through the carb....then....the top of the engine ignited....but it didn't stop them from doing it one more time... lol
they also tried other "gas saver" methods, none of them really worked at all. they tried a carb car and a fuel injected car. same results for both. if i remember correctly...
and I don't think they tried messing with the 02 sensors, which seems to make more sense than anything...
I don't know if I'm thinking of the same mythbusters episode but they hooked up one of those kits they bought online. It made a couple of tiny bubbles. And they almost thought it was working when the car actually started for a few seconds. Then they figured out a little bit of gas was still in the lines.
lol yea idk but the chemicle is supposed to cause it to create a lot more hydrogen it dosent seem like mucu but it can fill up a baloon in a few min so idk that also does seem like a decent amout if you think about it
2000 Firebird- Intake, Pacesetters, !cat, full 2.5 to flowcrapster, 1.9 rockers, LS6 springs and Intense modded retainers, WS6 speedlines, T/A bumpers and hatch, 5 spd swapped, SOON TO BE nitrous'd and cammed.
Hey everyone! I've been trying to remove my transmission for two days now! I need to replace the clutch. Only thing I've got left holding the transmission...
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