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  • #31
    Re: hydrogen generator

    I use methane. Got the intake ducted to right below the drivers seat. I've found Taco-Bell to be the cheapest fuel.

    First law of thermodynamics will get ya every time. I wouldn't waste your time. I'm with ne0hisda0ne and the rest of the nay-sayers.

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    • #32
      Re: hydrogen generator

      Yeah its the same episode guys...

      Anyone that understands what Im saying (about the law), think of a way to use the wasted energy? Thats what we should be focusing on. The energies right there, lets harness it. I cant think of anything :(
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      • #33
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        i never really thought about it before but im thinking about it a lot now i understand it takes engergy to make it but i think mabey you end up with more usable energy than you had before especially with the chemicl yes you have to buy it but for only a few dollars compared to a few hundred for gasoline

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        • #34
          Re: hydrogen generator

          Originally posted by tomham View Post
          i never really thought about it before but im thinking about it a lot now i understand it takes engergy to make it but i think mabey you end up with more usable energy than you had before especially with the chemicl yes you have to buy it but for only a few dollars compared to a few hundred for gasoline
          have him prove it before you convert...hearing him say it isn't proof...

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          • #35
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            Hydrogen generator.... :bs:

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            • #36
              Re: hydrogen generator

              Just remember that you cannot create more energy.... you can only unlock the potential energy that is contained in the fuel or chemicals that are already there. I think that the best method would be, as mentioned earlier, finding a way to utilize the waste heat that comes from burning the fuel. All this is doing, though, is improving the efficiency of the engine/system.

              How about this: using the exhaust stream to power a turbine that runs a generator to charge batteries or to provide power to an electric motor...kind of a hybrid concept. This way you are not creating generator-induced drag on the engine, and when the engine is under heavy load, the turbine and generator mechanism produces more power. It would be like a turbo... but without the fun. I wonder if the exhaust stream would have enough power to spin the turbine with a generator hooked up to it. Or if the blades would just stall or create too much backpressure to be feasible.
              Last edited by Rob Bell; 04-23-2009, 02:49 PM.
              2002 Silver Firebird A4<br />T-Tops, Leather, Y87, W68, Chrome Wheels<br />Bone Stock

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              • #37
                Re: hydrogen generator

                Originally posted by Rob Bell View Post
                Just remember that you cannot create more energy.... you can only unlock the potential energy that is contained in the fuel or chemicals that are already there. I think that the best method would be, as mentioned earlier, finding a way to utilize the waste heat that comes from burning the fuel. All this is doing, though, is improving the efficiency of the engine/system.

                How about this: using the exhaust stream to power a turbine that runs a generator to charge batteries or to provide power to an electric motor...kind of a hybrid concept. This way you are not creating generator-induced drag on the engine, and when the engine is under heavy load, the turbine and generator mechanism produces more power. It would be like a turbo... but without the fun. I wonder if the exhaust stream would have enough power to spin the turbine with a generator hooked up to it. Or if the blades would just stall or create too much backpressure to be feasible.
                Might get something back, but I would think it would be more efficient to generate electricity by a mechanical coupling to the wheels or engine (like alternators already are). With a exhaust powered turbine, you would have losses in the form of backpressure slowing the exhaust and mechanical drag from spinning a turbine bearing at 20 kajillion rpms.

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                • #38
                  Re: hydrogen generator

                  Originally posted by Rob Bell View Post
                  Just remember that you cannot create more energy....

                  How about this: using the exhaust stream to power a turbine that runs a generator to charge batteries or to provide power to an electric motor...kind of a hybrid concept. This way you are not creating generator-induced drag on the engine, and when the engine is under heavy load, the turbine and generator mechanism produces more power. It would be like a turbo... but without the fun. I wonder if the exhaust stream would have enough power to spin the turbine with a generator hooked up to it. Or if the blades would just stall or create too much backpressure to be feasible.
                  Finally someone is listening to me.

                  This is a cool idea. Say if you cars powertrain is ran by electric motor you could technically have a 2 cyl running the turbo. Just have to have the technology in the ALT. Which we dont :(

                  Your car would really still run off of gas. More peddle, means more spool, means more enregy for the ALT. If we just had the alt, I could see this working.

                  I still think it would be better to harness the HEAT energy. Remember ALL, we only use about 25% of the energy we get from gas. Imagine if we used even 40% of that wasted energy :cool:
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                  • #39
                    Re: hydrogen generator

                    Originally posted by ne0hisda0ne View Post
                    have him prove it before you convert...hearing him say it isn't proof...

                    its not really converting it will be running on both hydrogen and gas at the same time all i would have to do is some wiring and mount it somewhere and run a hose into the intake

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                    • #40
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                      Originally posted by landj View Post
                      Might get something back, but I would think it would be more efficient to generate electricity by a mechanical coupling to the wheels or engine (like alternators already are). With a exhaust powered turbine, you would have losses in the form of backpressure slowing the exhaust and mechanical drag from spinning a turbine bearing at 20 kajillion rpms.
                      The turbine to generator link would have to incorporate some gearing to lower the RPMs and increase the torque. A good comparison would be a turboprop engine. However, this is what makes me wonder if the resistance to spinning the turbine would create too much backpressure.
                      2002 Silver Firebird A4<br />T-Tops, Leather, Y87, W68, Chrome Wheels<br />Bone Stock

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                      • #41
                        Re: hydrogen generator

                        Originally posted by nimrod.sixty9 View Post
                        I still think it would be better to harness the HEAT energy. Remember ALL, we only use about 25% of the energy we get from gas. Imagine if we used even 40% of that wasted energy :cool:
                        Coat the pistons and cylinders with ceramic. Won't have as much heat transfer and ceramics can have less friction and better wear properties.

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                        • #42
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                          Originally posted by landj View Post
                          Coat the pistons and cylinders with ceramic. Won't have as much heat transfer and ceramics can have less friction and better wear properties.
                          the combustion process would probably shatter the ceramic pretty fast, and if it didnt, i guarantee you detonation would

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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by cam98aro View Post
                            the combustion process would probably shatter the ceramic pretty fast, and if it didnt, i guarantee you detonation would
                            Well, okay, but it's already being done. Use of ceramics is becoming more common as a better understanding is achieved in the material science behind the adhesion of ceramic to metal. http://www.gizmag.com/go/5101/ (Sorry for the article being so old).

                            Other non-automotive companies have begun using ceramic coatings on frictional surfaces for it's superior wear characteristics over metal on metal. I seem to recall seeing a car commercial claiming specially coated pistons and cylinders, but I had no luck finding that online, so I won't claim that anyone is doing that now, but Ford is working on it. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008...eveloping.html

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                            • #44
                              Re: hydrogen generator

                              Originally posted by landj View Post
                              Well, okay, but it's already being done. Use of ceramics is becoming more common as a better understanding is achieved in the material science behind the adhesion of ceramic to metal. http://www.gizmag.com/go/5101/ (Sorry for the article being so old).

                              Other non-automotive companies have begun using ceramic coatings on frictional surfaces for it's superior wear characteristics over metal on metal. I seem to recall seeing a car commercial claiming specially coated pistons and cylinders, but I had no luck finding that online, so I won't claim that anyone is doing that now, but Ford is working on it. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008...eveloping.html
                              thats kinda funny, is that a ceramic coating on the first article you posted?

                              those are sp pistons and i have seen their hyper pistons cracked and busted up all of the time.

                              i wouldnt use anything other than forged

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