Ghetto nitrous setup...

[Kevin T.]

This may seem like an off-the-wall idea but, I'm a ref at a local paintball field and have access to alot of nitrogen and CO2 as well as steel braided line, on/offs, regulators, etc. Well what I'm going to try running pure nitrogen from a 70ci carbon fiber bottle (with an on/off) into an adjustable regulator (100-500psi) and then run a steel braided line dircetly into the factory lid, right above where the duct leads to the throttle body. Ofcourse I know your all saying " the air we breath is already 70-75% nitrogen, and also the air our engines breath". Well if the nitrogen setup doesn't work out, I'll try CO2 or a mixture of the both. As you all know, compressed Co2 is cold enough to give you frost burn in a matter of seconds, This extremely cold gas could be used to cool your engine at high RPM's where there is a risk of throwing a rod or something. I know you all are thinking im crazy but im gonna experiment with it at lower psi's and work my way up. There really won't be stages of nitrogen (like you see in the Fast and the Furious done w/ real nitrous). The 70ci bottle is small enough to mount in your center console thing (not glove box) and I will have to manually open and close the valve which could be a bad thing since my car is M5. If anyone has any further ideas, questions or just wants to stop me before I seriously mess something up in my motor, please do not neglect to share them with me. I am doing this because I want to push some more power out of my 3800, but being 16 doesn't leave with a lot of options for money (I can't even donate sperm!) Please do not ask what kind of gains I should expect because I have no clue either.

[BLLDOGG]

thats crazy....stupid....and definatly not something you should do.

[Kevin T.]

IF I do decide to go through with it, It will definetly be a temporary thing. Just for like when I'm racing mustang GT's or something. All you have to do is run steel braided line from the bottle to the regulator (the reg has two spots for the air to escape) and then run more line to the air lid and drill one or two holes and after that, it's just a matter of knowing when and how-long the valve needs to be opened. Hell, It's no problem to put real nitrous in an N2 bottle because 99% of all N2 bottles are hydrotested and can hold 4,500 psi all-day long. I definetly won't be putting 4,500 psi of nitrogen through my motor, thats what the adjustable regulator is for, and also the tank itsself has an internal reg with an output of 800 psi which is then scaled down with the external reg before it meets contact with the throttle body.

[Kevin T.]

Here is a link to the bottle and reg I will be using. My bottle is exactly like the one in the pic, its just a year older and I have that exact same reg.

Reg:http://www.actvil.com/is-bin/INTERSH...cAAAD3n16lA_2t

Bottle:http://www.actvil.com/is-bin/INTERSH...7gG0AAAD3BmilA _2t

[speedracer95v6]

Well, my problem with this idea are that you will be spraying CO2 into your air intake. CO2 won't do any good because it will asphixiate the oxygen/hydrocarbon reaction that drives your engine (the CO2 will replace space that could be filled with O2, and thus you will actually run crappier and burn less of the fuel that is sprayed into your cylinders).

The nitrogen will just not do anything. If you could fill the bottle with actual nitrous or oxygen(much much more dangerous in fact i don't recommend it..nitrous is safe because it is oxygen and nitrogen bound together and is inert more or less until it is in the combustion chamber and the two separate) that would be more useful, but I'm not sure if that low of pressure will help too much.

Now if you were running a turbo car, you could spray either across your intercooler when racing and it would temporarily increase efficiency.

EDIT: if the bottle will hold 900-1200psi safely, just fill it with real nitrous cause the other stuff will either make your engine run poorly or will do nothing.

[PewterBird]

Originally posted by speedracer95v6:
Well, my problem with this idea are that you will be spraying CO2 into your air intake. CO2 won't do any good because it will asphixiate the oxygen/hydrocarbon reaction that drives your engine (the CO2 will replace space that could be filled with O2, and thus you will actually run crappier and burn less of the fuel that is sprayed into your cylinders).

The nitrogen will just not do anything. If you could fill the bottle with actual nitrous or oxygen(much much more dangerous in fact i don't recommend it..nitrous is safe because it is oxygen and nitrogen bound together and is inert more or less until it is in the combustion chamber and the two separate) that would be more useful, but I'm not sure if that low of pressure will help too much.

Now if you were running a turbo car, you could spray either across your intercooler when racing and it would temporarily increase efficiency.

EDIT: if the bottle will hold 900-1200psi safely, just fill it with real nitrous cause the other stuff will either make your engine run poorly or will do nothing.

Hit the nail on the head.
Nitrogen = N
Oxegen = O
Nitrous= NO2

Cumbustion needs oxegen to burn, and you will just
sufficate your engine.

The only possitive aspect would be a cooler intake temp. The only problem with that, is that all the wieght you add with the steel braided lines, and tank will cancel out the gains of the lower intake temp.

Where are those ****ing thumbsdowns when you need them.

[PewterBird]

When CO2 decompresses, ie leaving a pressurized container, it will be very cold.

If you could find a way to depressurize CO2, in a small tubing that wrapped the intake hose, thus cooling the hose, then find a way to recompress the C02 for continual use.

You can either just start with a tank of CO2, or work on a perpetual system.

But since you can't create or destroy energy, you would have to find a way to power the recompression, without huge parasital loss.

This would all work, if you could gain more power that you would lose with the additional weight.

[MustangEater8251]

well just think...

Co2 is used in one type of fire extinguishers... So basically you woudl be trying to put the fire out in your engine...

jsut get a setup... YOu might be able to use some of the fittings and suvh for your kit. But also remember you will wanna jet the n20, too much and you will blow the motor.

[Devilboy28]

Do it. Everything will be fine.

[speedy-v6-camaro]

Originally posted by Kevin T.:
I am doing this because I want to push some more power out of my 3800, but being 16 doesn't leave with a lot of options for money (I can't even donate sperm!) Please do not ask what kind of gains I should expect because I have no clue either.

Don't do stupid **** that doesn't make any sense at all.

[Kevin T.]

Well since the N2 bottle is made to hold 4500+ Nitrogen, all I have to do is fill half way with nitrous and would risk blowing anything up. Since the bottles wrapped in carbon fiber and is only 70ci, the only weight you are adding is 2-3 lbs at the max and the bottle will never explode, it may rupture filling the car with nitrous very fast. There is only one place in my town that refills nitrous and I guess I'll ride over there and ask if they will put it in a small bottle like that.

[skorpion317]

i began banging my head on the table about midway through the first post....shooting nitrogen or carbon dioxide in the engine is a BAD idea. they would make the car run poorly, # 1, and # 2, you could possibly damage the engine. nitrous oxide gives power because it breaks apart into nitrogen and oxygen when it reaches the temperatures in the engine bay. the extra oxygen being sprayed into the engine is waht gives the power boost. nitrogen or carbon dioxide wouldn't do that.

[Ian]

my sweet god, you are joking right?

like everyone said:

CO2 = no fire = no power = no running engine


nitrogen alone = dumb

[casketcrewchick]

Be careful... dont mess your car up!

[speedy-v6-camaro]

This thread should be locked due to stupidity and the fact that it is in the wrong forum.