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  • Where to buy PACESETTERS with Y-PIPE???????

    I have asked this question a few times, and I haven't received a response yet. A few people said they bought these headers and they came with a y-pipe. Where did you get them from.

    I called ammperformance, and they said it didnt come with one. And i called JC Whitney, and they said it didnt come with one? Someone......
    <b><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/redaudiomobile\" target=\"_blank\">1998 Red A4 W68 Firebird</a> <br />10 PSI <a href=\"http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">ATI Procharger</a> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb4b6eeb42f57d06389e3ac12068e7a67/faff97eb.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Intercooled</a> </b> <br /><b>~~</b>Borla catback, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf2d3103bcf8fef15756e8ec41c695d6c/fa6c671d.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">3” Catco Cat</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p8e41ca8b59b95024690456cd102f7c65/fa6c672a.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Headers</a>, 3.73 gears, Zexel-Torsen<br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5f73f1370269f5c5334b6d8cbbeec4d1/fa6c6712.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">K&N Air Filter</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p9da8e4ea1855acbbfb5067bc9762b9b6/fa6e6fe4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">TSP Clear Lid</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p4f9c7720261bdd59f9e55275f022ef8d/fa6c6706.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">SLP CAI</a>, 160* thermostat, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pec71087de994f110a77b62a06ab5b77d/faff953c.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Autometer C2 Gauges</a><br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p70f4e24cb84ebce6e87577a1086b47a0/fa901042.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Katzkin Black/Red Leather Seats</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p768a90d0c13e9740c0d353ac1b322e6a/fa6c6717.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Bilstein HD Shocks</a>

  • #2
    There's a guy selling them on ebay with the y-pipes.

    http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...userid=mgh7002

    [ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: navigatorbob ]</p>
    <a href=\"http://www.cardomain.com/id/edogg_127\" target=\"_blank\">1999 red 38000 Camaro</a><br />Leaking rear main seal (not really a mod though)

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    • #3
      I thought there was a website that was selling them with the y-pipes.
      <b><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/redaudiomobile\" target=\"_blank\">1998 Red A4 W68 Firebird</a> <br />10 PSI <a href=\"http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">ATI Procharger</a> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb4b6eeb42f57d06389e3ac12068e7a67/faff97eb.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Intercooled</a> </b> <br /><b>~~</b>Borla catback, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf2d3103bcf8fef15756e8ec41c695d6c/fa6c671d.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">3” Catco Cat</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p8e41ca8b59b95024690456cd102f7c65/fa6c672a.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Headers</a>, 3.73 gears, Zexel-Torsen<br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5f73f1370269f5c5334b6d8cbbeec4d1/fa6c6712.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">K&N Air Filter</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p9da8e4ea1855acbbfb5067bc9762b9b6/fa6e6fe4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">TSP Clear Lid</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p4f9c7720261bdd59f9e55275f022ef8d/fa6c6706.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">SLP CAI</a>, 160* thermostat, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pec71087de994f110a77b62a06ab5b77d/faff953c.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Autometer C2 Gauges</a><br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p70f4e24cb84ebce6e87577a1086b47a0/fa901042.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Katzkin Black/Red Leather Seats</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p768a90d0c13e9740c0d353ac1b322e6a/fa6c6717.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Bilstein HD Shocks</a>

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      • #4
        JCWhitney, Jegs, Summit. AMMperformance has them at a good price too.
        <b>1998 Firebird 3800 Series II, A4</b><br />Direct-Flo Lid,K&N Filter,DEE TB Spacer,TPS-TEC,ZZP Mini-AFC,Raised and Cutout Airbox 7mm,BMR STB & Boxed LCAs,KYB AGX Shocks,Drilled/Slotted Rotors,180* Thermo,2.5\" Catco Cat,Dynomax 2.75\" custom catback,Kumho Ecstas/245,Jet Stage 2,3.42,Edge Racing 2870 Stall,B&M Tranny Cooler,B&M Deep Tranny Pan,LSD,AAM Girdle,1LE DS,NX Wet Kit,MSD DIS-4,MSD Blaster Coil Packs,Taylor Spiro Pro 8mm Wires,NGK TR6\'S gapped .045,ZZP UD WP Pulley,SLP Fan Switch,TT II\'s<br />N/A: 15.6342 @ 88.44 (On stock converter. Strugglin\' to beat it.)<br />Nitrous 50 Shot: 14.7463 @ 93.49

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        • #5
          <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by AMinor65:
          JCWhitney, Jegs, Summit. AMMperformance has them at a good price too.<hr></blockquote>



          <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by RedAudiomobile:

          I called ammperformance, and they said it didnt come with a y-pipe. And i called JC Whitney, and they said it didnt come with one? Someone......
          <hr></blockquote>

          I need a place that sells them with a Y-PIPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          <b><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/redaudiomobile\" target=\"_blank\">1998 Red A4 W68 Firebird</a> <br />10 PSI <a href=\"http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">ATI Procharger</a> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb4b6eeb42f57d06389e3ac12068e7a67/faff97eb.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Intercooled</a> </b> <br /><b>~~</b>Borla catback, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf2d3103bcf8fef15756e8ec41c695d6c/fa6c671d.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">3” Catco Cat</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p8e41ca8b59b95024690456cd102f7c65/fa6c672a.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Headers</a>, 3.73 gears, Zexel-Torsen<br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5f73f1370269f5c5334b6d8cbbeec4d1/fa6c6712.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">K&N Air Filter</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p9da8e4ea1855acbbfb5067bc9762b9b6/fa6e6fe4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">TSP Clear Lid</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p4f9c7720261bdd59f9e55275f022ef8d/fa6c6706.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">SLP CAI</a>, 160* thermostat, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pec71087de994f110a77b62a06ab5b77d/faff953c.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Autometer C2 Gauges</a><br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p70f4e24cb84ebce6e87577a1086b47a0/fa901042.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Katzkin Black/Red Leather Seats</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p768a90d0c13e9740c0d353ac1b322e6a/fa6c6717.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Bilstein HD Shocks</a>

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          • #6
            Dang, I should've ready it all the way through. Sorry. [img]redface.gif[/img]
            <b>1998 Firebird 3800 Series II, A4</b><br />Direct-Flo Lid,K&N Filter,DEE TB Spacer,TPS-TEC,ZZP Mini-AFC,Raised and Cutout Airbox 7mm,BMR STB & Boxed LCAs,KYB AGX Shocks,Drilled/Slotted Rotors,180* Thermo,2.5\" Catco Cat,Dynomax 2.75\" custom catback,Kumho Ecstas/245,Jet Stage 2,3.42,Edge Racing 2870 Stall,B&M Tranny Cooler,B&M Deep Tranny Pan,LSD,AAM Girdle,1LE DS,NX Wet Kit,MSD DIS-4,MSD Blaster Coil Packs,Taylor Spiro Pro 8mm Wires,NGK TR6\'S gapped .045,ZZP UD WP Pulley,SLP Fan Switch,TT II\'s<br />N/A: 15.6342 @ 88.44 (On stock converter. Strugglin\' to beat it.)<br />Nitrous 50 Shot: 14.7463 @ 93.49

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            • #7
              What are you supposed to do with headers that don't have a Y pipe?
              - JT3<br />1998 Red V6 Camaro Y87 Y3F - J.E.T. Chip Stage II - Clear Parking Lights - Removed Grill - K&N - Whisper Lid - !FRA MOD - MAF Screen Removed - Pro 5.0 - Pacesetter Headers - Magnaflow Catback - 32mm Front Swaybar - And A System(bump bump)

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              • #8
                <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by AMinor65:
                Dang, I should've ready it all the way through. Sorry. [img]redface.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

                No problem, I just need these headers as soon as possible, and I need a y-pipe.....

                The guy on ebay, after coating and shipping(as well as waiting 10 days) is $360. I was looking for a little less than that.

                Does anyone know where you can get a y-pipe for this system?
                <b><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/redaudiomobile\" target=\"_blank\">1998 Red A4 W68 Firebird</a> <br />10 PSI <a href=\"http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">ATI Procharger</a> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb4b6eeb42f57d06389e3ac12068e7a67/faff97eb.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Intercooled</a> </b> <br /><b>~~</b>Borla catback, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf2d3103bcf8fef15756e8ec41c695d6c/fa6c671d.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">3” Catco Cat</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p8e41ca8b59b95024690456cd102f7c65/fa6c672a.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Headers</a>, 3.73 gears, Zexel-Torsen<br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5f73f1370269f5c5334b6d8cbbeec4d1/fa6c6712.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">K&N Air Filter</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p9da8e4ea1855acbbfb5067bc9762b9b6/fa6e6fe4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">TSP Clear Lid</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p4f9c7720261bdd59f9e55275f022ef8d/fa6c6706.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">SLP CAI</a>, 160* thermostat, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pec71087de994f110a77b62a06ab5b77d/faff953c.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Autometer C2 Gauges</a><br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p70f4e24cb84ebce6e87577a1086b47a0/fa901042.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Katzkin Black/Red Leather Seats</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p768a90d0c13e9740c0d353ac1b322e6a/fa6c6717.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Bilstein HD Shocks</a>

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                • #9
                  Just contact the guy that is selling the headers on ebay directly... WoodAndCo@aol.com ...I got mine in 1 week...not bad considering they were coated.
                  <a href=\"http://www.onid.orst.edu/~waltejam/\" target=\"_blank\">98 Bright Red Camaro</a><br />Too many mods to list....check my website

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                  • #10
                    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Red V6 Raider:
                    What are you supposed to do with headers that don't have a Y pipe?<hr></blockquote>

                    I think they want you to get one custom made or some sh.it [img]graemlins/bs.gif[/img]
                    <b><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/redaudiomobile\" target=\"_blank\">1998 Red A4 W68 Firebird</a> <br />10 PSI <a href=\"http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">ATI Procharger</a> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb4b6eeb42f57d06389e3ac12068e7a67/faff97eb.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Intercooled</a> </b> <br /><b>~~</b>Borla catback, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf2d3103bcf8fef15756e8ec41c695d6c/fa6c671d.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">3” Catco Cat</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p8e41ca8b59b95024690456cd102f7c65/fa6c672a.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Headers</a>, 3.73 gears, Zexel-Torsen<br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5f73f1370269f5c5334b6d8cbbeec4d1/fa6c6712.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">K&N Air Filter</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p9da8e4ea1855acbbfb5067bc9762b9b6/fa6e6fe4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">TSP Clear Lid</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p4f9c7720261bdd59f9e55275f022ef8d/fa6c6706.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">SLP CAI</a>, 160* thermostat, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pec71087de994f110a77b62a06ab5b77d/faff953c.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Autometer C2 Gauges</a><br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p70f4e24cb84ebce6e87577a1086b47a0/fa901042.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Katzkin Black/Red Leather Seats</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p768a90d0c13e9740c0d353ac1b322e6a/fa6c6717.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Bilstein HD Shocks</a>

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                    • #11
                      I called Summit and the guy said that it included the "extension to the stock system"---I think this is the y-pipe?

                      Part # PSM72C1209 $300 for the coated

                      He said shipping would be like 2 weeks though :mad:
                      <b><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/redaudiomobile\" target=\"_blank\">1998 Red A4 W68 Firebird</a> <br />10 PSI <a href=\"http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">ATI Procharger</a> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb4b6eeb42f57d06389e3ac12068e7a67/faff97eb.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Intercooled</a> </b> <br /><b>~~</b>Borla catback, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf2d3103bcf8fef15756e8ec41c695d6c/fa6c671d.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">3” Catco Cat</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p8e41ca8b59b95024690456cd102f7c65/fa6c672a.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Headers</a>, 3.73 gears, Zexel-Torsen<br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5f73f1370269f5c5334b6d8cbbeec4d1/fa6c6712.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">K&N Air Filter</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p9da8e4ea1855acbbfb5067bc9762b9b6/fa6e6fe4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">TSP Clear Lid</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p4f9c7720261bdd59f9e55275f022ef8d/fa6c6706.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">SLP CAI</a>, 160* thermostat, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pec71087de994f110a77b62a06ab5b77d/faff953c.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Autometer C2 Gauges</a><br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p70f4e24cb84ebce6e87577a1086b47a0/fa901042.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Katzkin Black/Red Leather Seats</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p768a90d0c13e9740c0d353ac1b322e6a/fa6c6717.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Bilstein HD Shocks</a>

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                      • #12
                        I have seen posts where you can buy pacesetters for around 160.00......I am not sure if that was with the y pipe though.do a search.

                        [img]smile.gif[/img]
                        Eric

                        2005 Mustang 4.0
                        1996 Camaro Conv
                        2000 Ford Excursion

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                        • #13
                          <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by merlinsrealm:
                          I have seen posts where you can buy pacesetters for around 160.00......I am not sure if that was with the y pipe though.do a search.

                          [img]smile.gif[/img]
                          <hr></blockquote>

                          I have also done the search, 160 is for the non-coated....And i dont know if they come with the y-pipe...hence this post
                          <b><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/redaudiomobile\" target=\"_blank\">1998 Red A4 W68 Firebird</a> <br />10 PSI <a href=\"http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">ATI Procharger</a> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb4b6eeb42f57d06389e3ac12068e7a67/faff97eb.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Intercooled</a> </b> <br /><b>~~</b>Borla catback, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf2d3103bcf8fef15756e8ec41c695d6c/fa6c671d.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">3” Catco Cat</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p8e41ca8b59b95024690456cd102f7c65/fa6c672a.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Headers</a>, 3.73 gears, Zexel-Torsen<br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5f73f1370269f5c5334b6d8cbbeec4d1/fa6c6712.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">K&N Air Filter</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p9da8e4ea1855acbbfb5067bc9762b9b6/fa6e6fe4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">TSP Clear Lid</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p4f9c7720261bdd59f9e55275f022ef8d/fa6c6706.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">SLP CAI</a>, 160* thermostat, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pec71087de994f110a77b62a06ab5b77d/faff953c.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Autometer C2 Gauges</a><br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p70f4e24cb84ebce6e87577a1086b47a0/fa901042.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Katzkin Black/Red Leather Seats</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p768a90d0c13e9740c0d353ac1b322e6a/fa6c6717.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Bilstein HD Shocks</a>

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                          • #14
                            AmmPerformance is now saying that it includes everything from the cat up to the headers, which i think is the y-pipe.

                            They are 290$ shipped for the coated ones from www.ammperformance.com
                            <b><a href=\"http://members.cardomain.com/redaudiomobile\" target=\"_blank\">1998 Red A4 W68 Firebird</a> <br />10 PSI <a href=\"http://www.procharger.com/superchargers.shtml\" target=\"_blank\">ATI Procharger</a> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pb4b6eeb42f57d06389e3ac12068e7a67/faff97eb.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Intercooled</a> </b> <br /><b>~~</b>Borla catback, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/pf2d3103bcf8fef15756e8ec41c695d6c/fa6c671d.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">3” Catco Cat</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p8e41ca8b59b95024690456cd102f7c65/fa6c672a.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Pacesetter Ceramic Coated Headers</a>, 3.73 gears, Zexel-Torsen<br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p5f73f1370269f5c5334b6d8cbbeec4d1/fa6c6712.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">K&N Air Filter</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p9da8e4ea1855acbbfb5067bc9762b9b6/fa6e6fe4.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">TSP Clear Lid</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p4f9c7720261bdd59f9e55275f022ef8d/fa6c6706.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">SLP CAI</a>, 160* thermostat, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid81/pec71087de994f110a77b62a06ab5b77d/faff953c.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Autometer C2 Gauges</a><br /><b>~~</b> <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid88/p70f4e24cb84ebce6e87577a1086b47a0/fa901042.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Katzkin Black/Red Leather Seats</a>, <a href=\"http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid91/p768a90d0c13e9740c0d353ac1b322e6a/fa6c6717.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Bilstein HD Shocks</a>

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                            • #15
                              I been trying to figure this out for ever now, on jcwhitney they say it has
                              (E) Includes collector reducer—fabrication required to hook up to exhaust system.
                              For one of the options.
                              This is really starting to piss me off now because I want to get these headers ASAP, but I want the y-pipe with them. Nobody has confirmed that the headers did not include the y-pipe, just based on people's words. In the picture on jcwhitney's site the headers (even though they are 3.4) are pictured with the y-pipe, and it says it includes the required hook up for the exhaust, plus they'd have to order them from pacesetter's factory and pacesetter sells them with y-pipes, i don't see why they wouldn't sell them w/o the y-pipe. Ahhh who knows, im still just waiting for one review on them and one person that orders them before I go through with it.

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