Headers

[tkoforpresident]

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Unlike you, I never claimed to know. If you'd actually expend a bit of mental energy and read my posts, all I've said is that there's no proof of your, or anyone else's claims to performance differences between coated and uncoated headers. I never said one was better, or that one was worse...that's just you putting words in people's mouths.
yea, the very same mod encyclopedia that says 4.10 gears are too tall for a V6 to be beneficial, even though all the record holding NA V6 cars have at least 4.10s...and in one case, even higher

Are there dyno numbers to show this strong boost? Are there track times to show the significant increase? Did someone expend the effort to stick a thermometer underneith the hood for a regular DD? No, No, and never been done.

I'm asking for proof. If you can't give it in the form of something that shows numbers, go have your little temper tantrum someplace else Max.

all you want to do is poop in peoples cherios.

all i ever hear from you is "there's no evidence" blah blah blah

if the mod. encyclopedia is garbage than why don't u tell us what each mod does. Oh thats right, you don't ever have an opinion, all you ever say is " you can't prove that" "where's the dyno #'s?"

some things are just obvious, don't sound like an idiot. Has anyone ever dyno'd an ASP crankshaft underdrive pulley? probably not, but does that mean it won't do anything simply because there isn't concrete numbers to back it up? of course not.

some things are common knowledege and it's stupid not to simply go with it.

Ceramic coating has always been an ideal way for containing heat, especially on headers.


If you really keep busting my balls, i might get the nerve to give pacessetter a call and see what they have to say. Heck i might even get some #'s for you so u can shut up and trying to argue with people without putting in an opinion of your own.

[J.T.]

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I think it is pretty obvious that coated headers, due to ceramics well understood insulating qualities, will lead to reduced engine bay temperatures. How much or how little this affects performance I have no idea. I would guess that the benefits are small, but just due to the fact that it is only $100 more the mere cosmetic benefits were enough for me to buy the coated headers. Every time I open my hood, I have nice shiny headers staring back at me.

[FadeToBlak121]

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wow.

so to answer the dudes question. nobody knows. non coated will make it hotter to work on after driving for awhile. and people already gave a good solution to that.

if theres a difference in gains, you wont notice. you wont notice a huge boost in speed anyways. its his dd, you will NOT notice any performance difference between the two. one just leaves it warmer than the other.


that wasnt so hard to say, now everyone stop your *****ing

[tkoforpresident]

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it's just hard to make some people see the obvious sometimes. ;)

[Smoke Panther]

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if the mod. encyclopedia is garbage than why don't u tell us what each mod does.

If you look at my posts in the technical sections, I do

some things are common knowledege and it's stupid not to simply go with it.
Ceramic coating has always been an ideal way for containing heat, especially on headers.

Where did I say it didn't do that? Can you quote me, verbatim, saying that ceramic coating doesn't contain heat? Once again, putting words in people's mouths is a pretty silly thing to do. Again, if you'd pretend to be literate for a few minutes and actually read the thread, I'm disputing if the amount it cools, provides any performance gain, and if it's worth the added cost.

If you really keep busting my balls, i might get the nerve to give pacessetter a call and see what they have to say.

Go ahead. All you're going to get is a Level 1 employee that's going to say something along the lines of it "resists rust and corrosion while helping to reduce underhood temperatures," since s/he's trained to answer questions in a manner that would encourage a sale.

Heck i might even get some #'s for you so u can shut up and trying to argue with people without putting in an opinion of your own.

Then go get them, Max. I doubt you will, since you seem way too preoccupied thinking of cute epigrams to sling at me, to actually provide any technical knowledge or worth to this thread

[LETZRIDE]

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it's just hard to make some people see the obvious sometimes. ;)

The difference in underhood temperatures between uncoated and coated are minimal at best.

I doubt uncoated will cause anymore heat under the hood then stock manifolds. I have coated and I noticed no difference in underhood temps going from stock manifolds to coated.

coated will not flow better or faster then non coated that's a crock of sh*t

The only thing the coating will do is help to give them some protection from rusting out...which you can do yourself by spraying them with the above mentioned.


furthermore, the mod encyclopedia is outdated...it doesn't even mention 3.90 gears as an option. On top of that it does also say that 4.10 is too high of a gear for our cars, and I "believe" it actually says 3.42's are the best...I'm sorry but the guys with 3.42's don't have anywhere near the fastest times unless they have FI (which is a whole other subject)

and for crying out loud...how many times has the topics of headers and what's better been covered?

forget pacesetters....get the new longtubes....

[tkoforpresident]

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The difference in underhood temperatures between uncoated and coated are minimal at best.

I doubt uncoated will cause anymore heat under the hood then stock manifolds. I have coated and I noticed no difference in underhood temps going from stock manifolds to coated.

coated will not flow better or faster then non coated that's a crock of sh*t

The only thing the coating will do is help to give them some protection from rusting out...which you can do yourself by spraying them with the above mentioned.


furthermore, the mod encyclopedia is outdated...it doesn't even mention 3.90 gears as an option. On top of that it does also say that 4.10 is too high of a gear for our cars, and I "believe" it actually says 3.42's are the best...I'm sorry but the guys with 3.42's don't have anywhere near the fastest times unless they have FI (which is a whole other subject)

and for crying out loud...how many times has the topics of headers and what's better been covered?

forget pacesetters....get the new longtubes....

wait, they have longtubes for the 3.4??

[LETZRIDE]

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I dunno...they do for the 3.8

[tkoforpresident]

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yeah thats right, sorry. got my hopes up there.

[bigbrian442]

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wait, they have longtubes for the 3.4??

Did you read the first post or click on the links? The OP is buying headers for a 3.8.

[LETZRIDE]

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huh...there that close eh...that second video they said it was untuned...was it tuned for the pacesetters?

[Nachius]

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Keep it Civil everyone.

Here is a comparison on temperatures on non coated, vs. wrapped, vs. coated:

http://www.coat-this.com/docs/automo...cleReprint.pdf

Not specific to the 3.8 F-Body, but science and physics rules stay pretty standard :)

Again as I mentioned for an all out race vehicle get coated headers the benefits far outweigh the extra cost and for a daily driver you should be ok with the non-coated headers, but I prefer coated.

[Smoke Panther]

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Keep it Civil everyone.

Here is a comparison on temperatures on non coated, vs. wrapped, vs. coated:

http://www.coat-this.com/docs/automo...cleReprint.pdf

Not specific to the 3.8 F-Body, but science and physics rules stay pretty standard :)

That proves one point, that ceramic coating does reduce temps. With the performance question, you'd need those tests done on any F-body. The main speaking point of that article, concerning performance and engine bay temps, was a concern about the intake soaking up heat put off by the exhaust manifolds. With that specific car, the intake tube was less than an inch away from the exhaust manifold...with F-bodies, the two components are virtually isolated, especially where the filter/lid are. After driving a good distance, you can touch the lid/neck of the intake with your bare hand...I wouldn't try that on their test car.

[LETZRIDE]

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That proves one point, that ceramic coating does reduce temps. With the performance question, you'd need those tests done on any F-body. The main speaking point of that article, concerning performance and engine bay temps, was a concern about the intake soaking up heat put off by the exhaust manifolds. With that specific car, the intake tube was less than an inch away from the exhaust manifold...with F-bodies, the two components are virtually isolated, especially where the filter/lid are. After driving a good distance, you can touch the lid/neck of the intake with your bare hand...I wouldn't try that on their test car.

It's isolated even in the 93-97's...stock air boxes are far enough away...and CAI go way down into the fender...When I had a short ram intake installed on my car...the only place the intake picked up heat was from the radiator it was right next to...and it wasnt even THAT hot...

[99BlackW68]

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Does the ceramic coating insulate the headers? yes
Does this lead to an increase in performance? most likely no, even though the headers may be insulated, next time you take a drive, pop your hood when you get home and touch the TB, intake manifold, or heads, they are all extremely hot, so it doesnt really matter if the headers are insulated better or not.
Does the ceramic coating look really good? yes
I've had my CIA headers for over a year now and they have the ceramic coating on them and I am happy I spent the extra money to have it done, they still look very nice and I am very pleased with it.

Thats right after installation about a year ago, granted they aren't quite that shiny still, but there is 0 rust on them and they still look good. I've actually had people look down into my engine bay and say "headers on a V6?? thats cool, those look really good".

So whether or not you get the ceramic coating is really based 100% on cosmetics. If you keep your engine bay really clean and pride yourself in how the whole car looks, id go for it, but if you dont really keep the engine bay clean because you never plan on popping the hood and showing it off, then I'd just save the cash and go with the painted headers. hope I helped :D

and smoke you seriously need to chill out