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    I know everyone says use ngk tr6's. But I need to know how this was determined. It's that dang curiousity thing...

    How can I find out more?

    What happens if you run the stock plugs? Do they misfire? Do they melt down? Do they ping? I read somewhere that the top electrode (they called it a strap) can get red hot in a few seconds, so they advocated finding something with a smaller "strap" more than running a cooler plug. Since the heat range is more related to the overall plug and center electrode.

    I know I should run at least one range colder than stock. But what about plug construction? Copper core is ok, but platinum lasts longer (NA anyway...) and I lean towards low maintenance where possible.

    In researching the NGK site, I found they make lots of versions of plugs. Some are designed specifically for power-adders and racing (a v-groove center electrode on one, and a tapered top electrode on another). They even have a platinum version, which is designed for the narrower gap. I'm interested in trying something along these lines.

    I don't mind experimenting, but I would like to take advantage of what others before me have already learned, so I don't have to start from scratch. That way I can build on the knowledge that's already out there.

    How was the best gap determined? Was this from dyno hp/torque results, or by reading the plugs, or by autotapping for misfires, or taking what worked in other applications, or what...?

    Or have we (the v6 board) just found something that works, and so that's just the doctrine that we all follow?

    p.s. My spur-of-the-moment 5175 is scheduled to be delivered today... So that's why I'm interested all of a sudden.

    p.p.s. Although the car will be nitrous only at the moment, plug selection should take into consideration that I will have a blower too, in a month or so (if all goes well...)

    p.p.p.s. I'd like to keep the topic focused on plugs only, and NOT get off into coils, wires, cd/multiple spark, etc. for now.
    \'98 A4 Camaro v6-&gt;v8 conversion, and STS kit next<br />v6: 13.6 Powerdyne, 13.2 150 shot, 13.8 120 shot, 14.3 85 shot, 15.7 stock<br />v8(na): 12.18@113, 392rwhp<br />Moderator on <a href=\"http://www.mtfba.org\" target=\"_blank\">www.mtfba.org</a> and <a href=\"http://www.frrax.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.frrax.com</a> (Road Race & Autocross)<br /><a href=\"http://community.webshots.com/user/johnduncan10\" target=\"_blank\">Car pics</a>, <a href=\"http://www.trscca.com\" target=\"_blank\">TN Region SCCA</a>

  • #2
    Ok, where's our spark plug gurus... [img]smile.gif[/img]

    Should I post this over in advanced tech since it applies to both nitrous and blower applications?
    \'98 A4 Camaro v6-&gt;v8 conversion, and STS kit next<br />v6: 13.6 Powerdyne, 13.2 150 shot, 13.8 120 shot, 14.3 85 shot, 15.7 stock<br />v8(na): 12.18@113, 392rwhp<br />Moderator on <a href=\"http://www.mtfba.org\" target=\"_blank\">www.mtfba.org</a> and <a href=\"http://www.frrax.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.frrax.com</a> (Road Race & Autocross)<br /><a href=\"http://community.webshots.com/user/johnduncan10\" target=\"_blank\">Car pics</a>, <a href=\"http://www.trscca.com\" target=\"_blank\">TN Region SCCA</a>

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    • #3
      I spoke with the nos tech line.
      They suggested ngk tr6 plugs gapped at 0.035.
      The ngk's are 2 ranges colder which slows the burn process down.
      Nitrous burns quicker so this helps equal it out.
      As for the gapping, the gap on a nitroused car needs to be closer.
      As for technical explanations on why this is a good plug, its heat rating, reason for gapping, I just listened to a tech line of a well known nitrous company.
      It has worked very well for me so I suggest it to anyone
      Race car - gone but not forgotten - 1997 firebird V6
      nitrous et & mph: 12.168 & 110.95 mph, n/a 13.746 & 96.38 mph
      2013 Dodge Challenger SRT8: 12.125, 116.45
      2010 Ford Taurus SHO: no times yet

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      • #4
        Thanks for the info. [img]smile.gif[/img]

        The stuff on the ngk site has me curious. I'll probably experiment a little, and see what the stock plugs do, how they look after a run or two,

        (unless I start getting ping and/or knock retard right away, then of course I'll run down to Autozone and get something else to put in there asap...)

        I may try their (ngk) racing platinum, so we have that as a reference point too. :cool:
        \'98 A4 Camaro v6-&gt;v8 conversion, and STS kit next<br />v6: 13.6 Powerdyne, 13.2 150 shot, 13.8 120 shot, 14.3 85 shot, 15.7 stock<br />v8(na): 12.18@113, 392rwhp<br />Moderator on <a href=\"http://www.mtfba.org\" target=\"_blank\">www.mtfba.org</a> and <a href=\"http://www.frrax.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.frrax.com</a> (Road Race & Autocross)<br /><a href=\"http://community.webshots.com/user/johnduncan10\" target=\"_blank\">Car pics</a>, <a href=\"http://www.trscca.com\" target=\"_blank\">TN Region SCCA</a>

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        • #5
          You will melt stock plugs.
          Electrodes will melt off and blow into the ccombustion chamber.
          Hopefully it wont get stuck in one of the valves.
          If you are lucky it will blow out the exhaust.
          Do not juice with stock plugs
          Race car - gone but not forgotten - 1997 firebird V6
          nitrous et & mph: 12.168 & 110.95 mph, n/a 13.746 & 96.38 mph
          2013 Dodge Challenger SRT8: 12.125, 116.45
          2010 Ford Taurus SHO: no times yet

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          • #6
            I have read that platinum and nitrous don't mix.

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            • #7
              <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Infernal:
              I have read that platinum and nitrous don't mix.<hr></blockquote>

              You are correct sir
              Race car - gone but not forgotten - 1997 firebird V6
              nitrous et & mph: 12.168 & 110.95 mph, n/a 13.746 & 96.38 mph
              2013 Dodge Challenger SRT8: 12.125, 116.45
              2010 Ford Taurus SHO: no times yet

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              • #8
                Well, sounds like I better not chance it with the stock plugs...

                I probably won't be able to finish the install this weekend anyway (I want to hook up everything -- fpss, blowdown, wot switch, the gauge pillar pod and the fuel pressure gauge, etc. before I ever hit it for the first time).

                So that gives me a little time to figure out if I'm going straight to the tr6's, or if there is something else I want to try first.
                \'98 A4 Camaro v6-&gt;v8 conversion, and STS kit next<br />v6: 13.6 Powerdyne, 13.2 150 shot, 13.8 120 shot, 14.3 85 shot, 15.7 stock<br />v8(na): 12.18@113, 392rwhp<br />Moderator on <a href=\"http://www.mtfba.org\" target=\"_blank\">www.mtfba.org</a> and <a href=\"http://www.frrax.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.frrax.com</a> (Road Race & Autocross)<br /><a href=\"http://community.webshots.com/user/johnduncan10\" target=\"_blank\">Car pics</a>, <a href=\"http://www.trscca.com\" target=\"_blank\">TN Region SCCA</a>

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                • #9
                  p.s.

                  ...surprisingly the NOS-5175 kit instructions say you can run the stock plugs. In the troubleshooting section, they do suggest one of the alternatives for eliminating ping (if you encounter it) is to go one range colder than stock.
                  \'98 A4 Camaro v6-&gt;v8 conversion, and STS kit next<br />v6: 13.6 Powerdyne, 13.2 150 shot, 13.8 120 shot, 14.3 85 shot, 15.7 stock<br />v8(na): 12.18@113, 392rwhp<br />Moderator on <a href=\"http://www.mtfba.org\" target=\"_blank\">www.mtfba.org</a> and <a href=\"http://www.frrax.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.frrax.com</a> (Road Race & Autocross)<br /><a href=\"http://community.webshots.com/user/johnduncan10\" target=\"_blank\">Car pics</a>, <a href=\"http://www.trscca.com\" target=\"_blank\">TN Region SCCA</a>

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                  • #10
                    <blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John_D.:
                    p.s.

                    ...surprisingly the NOS-5175 kit instructions say you can run the stock plugs. In the troubleshooting section, they do suggest one of the alternatives for eliminating ping (if you encounter it) is to go one range colder than stock.
                    <hr></blockquote>

                    Yeah, I read that too. I still won't juice with stock plugs, though. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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