tb cheater plate for n2o

[ribbed4hr2]

In a few weeks i will have acess to a cnc mill and sat around thinking of all the things i could make. The one good thing that came to mind was a cheater plate for our cars i have been talking to dee and trying to get some help on this. i want to use the same heat stuff he used so this would serve a dule prupous. but as of the moment i do not have n20 installed on the bird what i want from you guys 1) is there intrest in such a thing. 2) where would be the best place for the nozzel 3) tap size and TPI 4) any other in put you guys could think up.

[MrCoffee]

there were some reason's that DEE didnt make them thick enough to drill holes for jets. But you talked to him, so I'm assuming you got that squsred away. I dont know... maybe you just make the thick ones or something, and people can drill their own holes. People might have more than one nozzle to hook up and what not. The hole size might vary depending on brand. I'm no n2o expert *cough* JAMES *cough*

[John_D.]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by ribbed4hr2:
1) is there interest in such a thing. 2) where would be the best place for the nozzle 3) tap size and TPI 4) any other input you guys could think up.<hr></blockquote>

That plate would be after the maf, so it would be good for a wet kit, but not a dry kit. So it might need two holes. Or just one hole if somebody was using one of those combination nozzles.

Mine is a dry kit, so I can't help with size and tpi for the wet parts. Unless they are the same? My NOS-5175 is a 1/16 NPT. (and nobody carries a tap for that...)

As far as location, I'd have to go outside and look... Anywhere that doesn't interfere with the throttle linkage (I'm thinking '98 and down, that actually have linkage).

Also I believe the size/shape/bolt hole positions are going to be different between '98 and down, and the 99 and up tb's. So you would need two patterns to cover both setups.

That's all I can think of at this late hour...

[OneQuickV6]

Would be cool to have a sort of power ring like the LS1's do on the TNT wet kit.....very nice!

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[12secondv6]

Well, if this is a throttle body spacer/ nitrous plate system then we rule out dry kits right off the bat.
Wet kits only.

Now, if you were to put some time/money into it I would really like to see something in a similar manner but shaped for our throttle body to intake manifold design:
http://www.wave-net.net/omalleycomp/OCompPage2/O'MalleyMerchandise/
Look at the first pic. Yes just having nozzles drilled and tapped work but a spray bar is MUCH better. You get a better mixture and the nitrous can spread out much better.

Do you think that would be an option?

Is there an interest, well, I am going direct port.
It would be a nice way for people to run nitrous on their v6's. I would most likely support it.

Take a look at the link I included and let me know what you think

[ February 02, 2003: Message edited by: 12secondv6 ]</p>

[ribbed4hr2]

That defently looks possible im gunna have to do more research on it but im thinkig that it can be done al (my soon to be father in law) is the one with the cnc and he usta ran a race shop where the built custom dragsters for people ill run this past him see what he says i cant what to get all his shop set back up as soon as we do hes gunna help me p&p the heads and a 3 angle valve job/cam. it kinda sucked as soon as me and melissa started dateing he was seling his house and hade to put all of this **** in storage but know the skys the limit

keep me posted on any other ideas

[12secondv6]

Yup, keep us posted on your possible progress

[Magnus]

IMHO, if you sprayed between the TB and intake manifold it'd be way to close to cyl 1 and you'd over shoot it and a good part of cyl 2 drenching the latter cyl's.

Just not enough room for the air/fuel/n20 to mix.

[OneQuickV6]

I dunno....as of now with my wet nozzle right after the MAF sensor, the air/fuel mix is doing pretty good. How I know? I read the plugs, none are more burnt than the others, none are lacking the dark spot. Know what I mean? There's always one side of the splug's tip that is dark where more of the mix is hitting, and is daker in color than the rest. They were all pretty uniform.

Is there much more distance for the mix to mix on the LS1's? Seems that it would be pretty close to the same with their TNT power ring. Just an idea.

[12secondv6]

Magnus makes a good point.
When I had my nos kit 5175 dry pushed into the rubber elbow I noticed sometimes the passenger side middle and first cylinder could often run lean and burn an electrode off, thus indicating a lean condition.
With the tnt kit I have not noticed any lean conditions.
Even on the 125 shot (when everything went lean) all the plugs showed proof (black spec's) :(
I dunno, just my experience

[6shooter]

Well where do wet kits usually spray? There isn't much room to drill holes into the metal between the MAF and where one of Dee's spacers would go is there..? Would that 2 inches make a big difference...and couldn't you get better nozzles to counteract that like fogger or the new NOS nozzles?

[Magnus]

the 2" will make a difference.

basically, you want the nozzels as far up in the intake system as possible closes to the MAF without hitting it. This way you will get the most ideal mixture.

[12secondv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 6shooter:
[b]Well where do wet kits usually spray?

Into the engine of course [img]smile.gif[/img]


There isn't much room to drill holes into the metal between the MAF and where one of Dee's spacers would go is there..?

[B]You could drill and tap the throttle body or possibly drill and tap the spacer if it is thick enough[B]


Would that 2 inches make a big difference...and couldn't you get better nozzles to counteract that like fogger or the new NOS nozzles?


[B]Yup, 2 inches will improve the fuel/ air mixture. I have made a post on the NOSzles, check that thread out <hr></blockquote>

[ribbed4hr2]

so i guess where back to the thicker spacer idea? why can the lt1 get away with spraying it so close you would think it would have the same thing happen to them?
any way thanks for the feed back 2 heads are better than one.

[12secondv6]

Good point, but LT1's do have a bigger intake manifold.
So they have the ability to get a better mixture in there.
Maybe an extra 4 inches longer?