is supersix package good w/nitrous

[aalugo2000]

ok im lookin for some advice...

i really wanna get my car into the mid 13's this spring, im workin with around $3000...

i am really leaning toward the supersix package(heads and cam), and i was gonna also go with some ross forged pistons, then bump the zex to a 100 or maybe a 125 shot.. does this sound like a good idea??

my main concerns are whether a cam upgrade is a good idean with nos, or if will be too much strain? im not real heavy on the nitrous, maybe use 2-4 1/4mile runs per week in the summer. but one reason i really like the supersix package is that i wanna be able to run under 15's n/a as well, and that would definately help, but is this asking too much?? do i have to choose between n/a and bottled power??

any advice would be helpful, im trying to finalize my plans so i can get everything ordered and installed as soon as the semester is over.

[IronMan]

I don't think that is will be too much of a strain, especially if you go with Forged internals.

Make sure to get a cam with specs geared toward what you are using it for, that way you can maximize your nitrous gains. Talk to a couple of guys in Advanced Tech that have cams. Tell them what you want to use it for, more NA power or more nitrous power, daily driver or not, etc. They should steer you in the right direction. They should give you some cam specs to think about. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[aalugo2000]

thanks for the advice ironman,
ill probably do some searches on the cam, also i was gonna talk to tom @ supersix, i hear he's real helpful. do you know if supersix does custom cams or do they just have some already made up to choose from?

[IronMan]

Not sure what they have. I would hope that they have some type of selection. The whole heads/cam issue scares me a little b/c it seems that so many people have consistency issues b/c there is no PCM tuning available. I just don't like seeing the SES light. Otherwise I would probably be getting something like that very soon. Also, I would like to see more dyno proven #'s.

Just really do your homework before you get into this. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[Tiago]

you will not be able to do all this work under 3k if you plan on forged pistons, that by itself is 3k of work if you can't do it yourself.

get heads and cam and jooce it, leave the internals alone, could be done for 3k.

[slacker69]

I have got a mean nitrous cam im installing in a couple of weeks. its a comp cam

210/220 .535/.547 113lsa

[nino]

tom is real helpfull, tell him what you want to do and he will hook you up. his cams are crower regrinds. not many people favor those. or you can do like most and get your own cam from somewhere else. you are going to have to choose from a nitrous cam or n/a cam i think. but the head work and such, i dont think your nitrous will mind. i know slacker69 is a spraying fool and he is porting his heads and basically making his own power pack, but he also has a custom cam.
good luck with whatever you do.

[aalugo2000]

about the install...
other than knowing about where the parts go , im not too knowledgeable about the install of this stuff, but wouldnt it be somewhat "easier" to install the pistons and the heads /cam altogether? or would it not really make a difference? after i get all my stuff straight im gonna go talk to my mechanic, hes a nice guy :) so im hopin he'll cut me a deal!

[aalugo2000]

also slacker69....
since you mentioned your cam specs , do you have any reccomendations for me? my car is a daily driver and i also want n/a power gains, but if thats not possible then ill get a nos cam, will that be ok considering ill be driving without nos most of the time (obviously).

[Tiago]

to install pistons you have to basically do a engine rebuild essentially. pull engine out of the car, all that fun stuff. Heads and cam can be done in teh car.

[slacker69]

With my cam it is alittle radical maybe something like a 206/218 .507/.517 113lsa

[12secondv6]

aalugo2000: don't bother w/ heads n cam package
Add headers, high flow cat, 3200 stall converter and suspension and you should be able to run mid 14's n/a and produce some nice nitrous runs also.

Why am I not a fan of the heads n cam packages???
Tuning!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone wants to use the stock computer and tune it with that. You need a DFI system to do it right!

No one has done it yet so we really don't know the results though

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[aalugo2000]

12 sec...
thanks for the advice... i had a post in adv. tech about whether i should get the heads/cam, or go with something like you said.

i have a hi flow cat already, although im gettin a ses light, i believe its from one of my o2 sensors (something about one of the banks operating below ideal specs or something, i need to check up on that), but i was really thinkin about a t.c., you reccomend a 3200? that would be good for daily driver? also who do you reccomend? precision industries, yank??
about the headers, i hear complaints about rksport, who is the other company.. clear something??
and i was already looking at some suspension packages... subframe connectors, trailing arms, panhard rod. is this what you reccomend?

like i said before i want to bump up to a 100shot and run mid 13's and mid 14's n/a, and have a little piece of mind that my car will last another 30k, obviously im holding your advice in high reguard, since your the nitrous wizard. so i appreciate the feed back.

[12secondv6]

I'd stay with the 75 shot for now.
I LOVE my Pro Yank 3200 converter.
This is a nitrous converter.
95.5%-96% effeciency at 5800 rpm's
2.8 STR (torque multiplication factor)

Just get a cooler to compliment this

You must understand that it is expensive, but WELL worth it.

I see many people spending half of what I paid and I'm not overly impressed with their reductions

I went from 2.3 60 foots w/ the stock verter to a best of 1.91 w/ the 3200

I went from 15.2- 15.3's to 14.3's

I would say I knocked off .3+ in the 60 foot times and .8 in the 1/4 mile et's At the same time I did a bit of weight reduction, maybe 50 lbs?, so that could possibly affect my et's

This is a mod that you should really put some money into. Don't do it half asses.

Mine cost me $700

That might sound shocking due to such a high amount of $$$$ buuuut think about this
For $700 I went .8 quicker?
Per $100 I went .1+ quicker

Headers, cam, heads, blower and so on will not give you that incredible cost vs reduction in et
Nitrous is the only other thing that can do it.

Headers: rk sport are fine, just have your exhaust shop cut off the 2 bolt flanges and weld on 3 bolt flanges. This should eliminate the typical exhaust leaks!

Suspension: sub frame's are good, lower trailing arms are good, pan hard rod is also a nice part

[pgriffith]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 12secondv6:


Why am I not a fan of the heads n cam packages???
Tuning!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone wants to use the stock computer and tune it with that. You need a DFI system to do it right!


[ March 21, 2003: Message edited by: 12secondv6 ]<hr></blockquote>


There is plenty of tuning available. Zoomer at ZZP will reporgram PCM's, you can also do a whole lot with AUTOTAP and MAFT+ or some kind of similiar SAFC.