is supersix package good w/nitrous

[12secondv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by pgriffith:



There is plenty of tuning available. Zoomer at ZZP will reporgram PCM's, you can also do a whole lot with AUTOTAP and MAFT+ or some kind of similiar SAFC.<hr></blockquote>

No, that will not cut it!
DFI is the ONLY way to maximize a heads n cam apckage.
The stock PCM has certain limitations. You can only adjust it so far

[Tiago]

yea it has SOME limitations, but the only real thing stopping us is , the fact it only has maps till 7k rpms and that noone is willing to program the pcm [img]smile.gif[/img] if someone woudl tune the stock pcm it would due just fine... till 7k rpms

[pgriffith]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 12secondv6:


No, that will not cut it!
DFI is the ONLY way to maximize a heads n cam apckage.
The stock PCM has certain limitations. You can only adjust it so far<hr></blockquote>

Dont be intimidated by cams. There not that terrible to tune. IF you dont go with such a radical cam it can be tuned very easy. I dont think a DFI is required to make it run right. A good cam plus gaskets and all parts required for install is still cheaper then what your paying for those Roller Rockers and the gains from a cam would be much more noticable.

You should get a nitrous cam. With your ported heads it would work really nice. Nitrous cams are even more computer friendly then my cam would be.

[12secondv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by pgriffith:


Dont be intimidated by cams. There not that terrible to tune. IF you dont go with such a radical cam it can be tuned very easy. I dont think a DFI is required to make it run right. A good cam plus gaskets and all parts required for install is still cheaper then what your paying for those Roller Rockers and the gains from a cam would be much more noticable.

You should get a nitrous cam. With your ported heads it would work really nice. Nitrous cams are even more computer friendly then my cam would be.<hr></blockquote>
Sooo, why just use a mild cam?
This is my point.
If you are going to do it right then get something with a power potential.
Much more aggressive.
Then you NEED a DFI system.

I am not impressed with anyone's cammed car here.
Sure Keith pulled some great numbers but he has other things done
I plan to stick with the stock cam for a while.

[slacker69]

As of now i think my cam for a 3.8L is has the most lift and what not so we will see what happens i will be getting a custom pcm also

[malloynx#2]

this is my input. i have a comp cams 206/216 115ls. it's very streeetable, but i still need a custom pcm..i have my pcm being done as i type this. i gained 3mph in the 1/8 mile with my cam and with zero tuning. i'm seeing around .910's on the o2's. i want around a 870 or so. also with my cam it will make nice power till 6700+. with the a4 tranny im shifting at 5700 and it's really taking away from my cam... so the new pcm will shift much higher and i have a mini afc coming to lean the car out.. i'll post new times this weekend. this cam really really loves the juice, my 75 shot is insane...

[pgriffith]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 12secondv6:

Sooo, why just use a mild cam?
This is my point.
If you are going to do it right then get something with a power potential.
Much more aggressive.
Then you NEED a DFI system.

I am not impressed with anyone's cammed car here.
Sure Keith pulled some great numbers but he has other things done
I plan to stick with the stock cam for a while.<hr></blockquote>


IM not saying go mild by no means. Look at my cam specs. They are far from mild: 218/218 .528/.528@1.6 113lsa 110ic. My car even with no tuning feels much stronger then before. You are against mild cams because they dont add power yet you will install a $500 set of roller rockers? a mild cam could even produce more HP then your roller rockers and even for less money.

All im saying is your car could really scoot with a nitrous cam. And I dont think cam'd 3.8's need DFI. Look at Malloy, he told me his car hauls *** on juice with the new cam.

Not impressed with anybody's cam yet? Did you hear this?

ftp://user@205.208.222.153/FBODYVID/cam2.wav

[Arctc Wolf]

do u guys really mean a digital fuel injection unit, or just a stand alone engine management unit? i know accel makes a DFI unit, i saw it being used on horsepower TV. is this the type of unit you mean, or would the AEM EMS be what you're talkin about?

[aalugo2000]

ok...
so now im really leaning towards the yank 3200 stall converter, i know im gonna need a suspension kit eventually so ill probably get that too, i already have a tranny cooler.
and does anyone know the other company that makes headers for our cars, i wanna say its clear image?? ill do a search, but thats what im leanin towards now.

oh and 12 sec...
do you really think i should stay with the 75 shot, cuz ive heard a 100 shot is relatively safe for the 3.8, and ive also heard thata based on dyno's the zex nozzles are over rated 5-15 hp, im sure ill just keep my 75, then upgrade after the mods if im not satisfied, my goal is to be able to beat the z28's... ls1 that is, since 90% of them only have intake and exhaust i figure runnin mid 13's will put me right there with them, beating the stock ones :)

[aalugo2000]

ok i have another question...
if i go with the rksport headers is says that some modification may be necessary to fit the 98+ models, i understand that you have to weld the headers to the y pipe, but what other modifications are the talking about?

[pgriffith]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by aalugo2000:
ok i have another question...
if i go with the rksport headers is says that some modification may be necessary to fit the 98+ models, i understand that you have to weld the headers to the y pipe, but what other modifications are the talking about?<hr></blockquote>

I have a '98 and it took no modifcation to make them fit. I did weld up some 3 bolt flanges so they dont leak. But why not wait for the pacesetters?

[aalugo2000]

pgriffith....

how long is the expected "Wait" for the pacesetters??

i was doing some pricing and i calculated that for about $1650 i can get the following:

-rk sport headers
-tbryne rear susp. package
-yank torque converter

i wanted to keep it under $3000, so i figured id also throw in a purge kit, bottle warmer, and maybe an in-line fuel pump booster (i know msd and zex makes one).

12sec... i was on the yank website checking out converters, could you give me the part # for your converter, if thats what you reccomend for me, you also said that it was a nitrous converter, what, if any drawbacks will that have on everyday driving??

[12secondv6]

Well, hearing a cam means nothing to me. You can't hear power, just a nice choppy idle.

As for why I would do roller rockers vs a cam:
Cam needs tuning. Roller rockers do not. cam is much more difficult to install vs roller rockers. I have a nitroused car. I was impressed with the exhaust valve opening longer and the intake also staying open longer. For my nitroused car I think I will see much better results w/o the need for more tuning with the roller rockers. I am not a fan of a cam install due to the drivability, fuel economy, perf numbers and so on.

With my stock cam I see 33.4 mpg. Somehow I think that number would drop drastically but with roller rockers I think I may even gain a bit more.

As for the converter part numnber. Call yank and tell them your car. Mine was custom made for me


I like debates on cars, this is how I learn about them. Please don't think I am being closed minded or blocking you out, k?

[malloynx#2]

i say cam all the way.. i have the lift of the 1.9 roller rockers, i have more duration and more power all around... also my cam loves nitrous (206/216).. i'm comfident i can run a 75 shot and be hella happy.. when i throw the swtich my car becomes a beast. i'll have track times this weekend to back it up ;)

[aalugo2000]

ok..
so now im basically sold on the yank converter/suspension/header combo, but i want something else to go with it, do you guys like the new slp roller rockers? i personally think 11rwhp isnt bad, and it would also help me to be quicker n/a as well as juiced, i have the gmhtp magazine, seems like the install isnt that hard (true?), but do you think i should get them or a purge kit and bottle warmer like i stated earlier.

what do you think 12sec... i know the bottle warmer is useful because ive noticed the diffrence between running cold and warm nos, but is the purge really necessary, aside from looking cool by shooting mist out your hood, cant you just hit the nos for like 1 second before the race and clean out the lines just as good??