Looking into getting NOS...

[firebird99]

I'm looking into getting a NOS set up but before I do I have a few questions. With the modifications I have, what would be safe to spray? I have heard an 80 shot is safe but someone else said I could go up to 100 shot. I thought I would ask you guys before I get anything. I don't wanna mess up my car. By the way my car is an auto. Any info is greatly appreciated.

[nosv6]

first off nirous isn't safe period. second i would start with a 50 shot and see if your fuel pump and injectors etc. can handle it then go up from there.

[ April 16, 2003: Message edited by: nosv6 ]</p>

[Bliggida]

If built and intergrated into a system correctly, Nitrous is safe on many levels.
Safe to install, no risk of it blowing up the bottle.
Safe to use, a small shot on a car that has the ability to put power to the ground is very safe in terms of driveability.
Safe for the engine. A properly setup boost of a 50 shot won't harm any internals.

For the V6, I probably wouldn't go more than 80 to 100 shot on the stock motor, and if you are a first timer I wouldn't go out and jet for the 100 shot right up front.

Also, if you get a dry shot as opposed to a wet shot, the power is going to come in slower and softer.

If you're worried about the nitrous hitting to hard, you can also use a nitrous delay timer. Go from 1% to 100% in a certain timeline of say 3 seconds.

[12secondv6]

Nitrous is NOT safe!
You will NEVER see me say it IS safe.
It could blow up your motor, could you handle that?
NOS has designed a kit (part number 5175) that is supplied w/ an 85 hp dry setting that should not affect/ harm anything and should produce quite impressive results.

What do you want out of the car?

[Bliggida]

Once again, lets actually read what I wrote. In the confines of the parameters I gave, I could care less what YOU would or wouldn't call nitrous, its safe in these strict respects...

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:
If built and intergrated into a system correctly, Nitrous is safe on many levels.
Safe to install, no risk of it blowing up the bottle.
Safe to use, a small shot on a car that has the ability to put power to the ground is very safe in terms of driveability.
Safe for the engine. A properly setup boost of a 50 shot won't harm any internals. <hr></blockquote>

[AZ3.8Camaro]

You could blow your motor on a 50 shot. Say your fuel pump went out??? Say an injector went. Say a lot of things.

No way would I venture into saying its perfectly safe if installed correctly. $hit happens.

[12secondv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:
Once again, lets actually read what I wrote. In the confines of the parameters I gave, I could care less what YOU would or wouldn't call nitrous, its safe in these strict respects...

<hr></blockquote>
Did you think I was going after you?
If yes then let me tell you I was NOT going after you.

If I was going to go after you don't worry, I'd let you know [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I come across soooo many people saying nitrous is safe. People get into a lull and think it really is. Anything can happen w/ nitrous. You could grenade the engine instantly on a small shot.

I stand by ME saying nitrous is NOT safe. But it sure is lots of fun!!!

[ April 18, 2003: Message edited by: 12secondv6 ]</p>

[Bliggida]

12SV6, tis' cool.

Many, many folks (now that nitrous is so available and prevalent) go out, bolt a kit on, and they are experts. While this is true with anything. Usually, other modifications won't have the same ramifications that nitrous will if its installed half-@$$, or by a beginner.

Yes you can most certainly blow up an engine. But, perhaps yours and mines definition of safe is different. As I mean installed by someone who knows what they are doing, and familliar with that particular motor. A Professional.

There are some applications I wouldn't reccomend a 50 shot, and there have been others where I didn't even bother to consider safety (in the sense of confidence) that one motor build up was setup with a Mr. Big Shot from the NOS company - jetted for 400 additional horsepower. No problems what-so-ever. But the engine was built for it, and that makes a huge difference.

Nitrous is only safe when you have considered all the facts, and are (again) familliar with the particular motor you are working on. For example the 3.8L has forged connecting rods, great for taking abuse. However, the pistons are not forged, and you could burn a hole clean through it. So, you have to know all the variables.

Better stated, the way that I have installed nitrous systems are completely safe. I've yet to have engine failure due to a nitrous kit I installed.

[firebird99]

What do you want out of the car?

I'm looking for that edge. My car does good at the track against other v6's, however it seems that everyone is modifying their cars one way or the other. So what I want is to have the advantage. I want a kit that can be hidden but close at hand for when I need it. That kit that
12secondv6 talked about, where can I find it?

[12secondv6]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Bliggida:
12SV6, tis' cool.

Many, many folks (now that nitrous is so available and prevalent) go out, bolt a kit on, and they are experts. While this is true with anything. Usually, other modifications won't have the same ramifications that nitrous will if its installed half-@$$, or by a beginner.

Yes you can most certainly blow up an engine. But, perhaps yours and mines definition of safe is different. As I mean installed by someone who knows what they are doing, and familliar with that particular motor. A Professional.

There are some applications I wouldn't reccomend a 50 shot, and there have been others where I didn't even bother to consider safety (in the sense of confidence) that one motor build up was setup with a Mr. Big Shot from the NOS company - jetted for 400 additional horsepower. No problems what-so-ever. But the engine was built for it, and that makes a huge difference.

Nitrous is only safe when you have considered all the facts, and are (again) familliar with the particular motor you are working on. For example the 3.8L has forged connecting rods, great for taking abuse. However, the pistons are not forged, and you could burn a hole clean through it. So, you have to know all the variables.

Better stated, the way that I have installed nitrous systems are completely safe. I've yet to have engine failure due to a nitrous kit I installed.<hr></blockquote>

Cool man [img]smile.gif[/img]
I completely agree w/ you.
When someone comes here and asks the age old question I take it as someone who knows nothing about nitrous and little car modding skills.
Nothing against them, I always fear the worst :(

NOS kit 5175 can be purchased through summit racing
1-800-230-3030
www.summitracing.com
That is where I got mine :D

[firebird99]

I tried finding that kit in the Summit web site but when I did a search it said that # was not found. Would you happen to have a direct link or can you tell me how to get to it. Thanks.

[John_D.]

They stick a 0 in front of the number.

Try NOS-05175 and you should find it then.

It's a nice kit... :D

[firebird99]

Thanks John_D., I found the kit now. The price is the only thing bugging me now. See I know some shop here in town that are selling a kit for $400 bucks. However I don't know if it's safe or not. He said it was kind of like a sneeky pete set up. He said it was the bottle and it already had a solenoid on it. He said all I had to do was run the line to the air box or MAF and hook up a manual switch and I was ready to go. After you mount the bottle theres even a duffel bag that fits over the bottle so it looks like you're just coming back from the gym. My car is automatic and the guy at the shop said that is all I needed. He said since I wasnt changing gears manually that I didnt really need a safety switch. Is this correct? Is this all I need? It would save me quite a bit of $. I really need some advice on this since I'm new to Nitros.

[John_D.]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by firebird99:
...He said it was the bottle and it already had a solenoid on it. He said all I had to do was run the line to the air box or MAF and hook up a manual switch and I was ready to go...<hr></blockquote>


I would not recommend this setup, from what I see that you posted here about it. The difference in price is not a whole lot, compared to the cost of repairing your engine or your car or you...

The missing pieces are this:
- blowdown tube (keeps your car from filling up with a blinding nitrous fog if the bottle overheats or the seal blows, it might be exciting to have happen going down the road, but not in a good way [img]smile.gif[/img] )
- wot switch (this turns the nitrous off immediately, as soon as you lift off the pedal, instead of having to flick a switch before you can lift)
- fpss (fuel pressure safety switch to turn off the nitrous if the fuel pressure is not high enough, prevents burning holes in the top of your pistons or burning the valves from running lean)

The shop is right about not needing a window switch with it being an automatic (if this is what they meant by a safety switch). You need to be at 2500-3000 rpms when it hits, and with an automatic, when you floor it, you will be right there by the time it hits.

I usually think of an fpss when I think of "safety switch".

I've never heard of having the solenoid on the bottle. This would make the system take longer for the shot to hit, and would waste some when you cut it off, since the whole line has to fill before the nitrous gets to the jet, and it will drain the line when you shut it off. Just moving my jet to the lid, vs close to the tb, was noticeable in the time to hit.

What size bottle? 10lb?

When you spray out of a 10lb bottle, you will be able to get the first 8lbs out pretty good, the last 2 will surge. I leave the last 2 in there and get it refilled at that point.
If it's a smaller bottle, you will have even less usable nitrous.

I made five passes this past weekend and used up 5 lbs... I am spraying a bigger shot than what is standard for that kit though.

[ April 23, 2003: Message edited by: John_D. ]</p>

[12secondv6]

Sneaky pete is CRAP!!!!
Avoid that shop.
Trust us here, NOS kit 5175 works VERY well and is pretty complete