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**ssms5411** · 07-22-2007, 08:02 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

I think you will like the nitrous better, I know I do from switching over from the powerdyne, boost gauge you won't need unless you want to use it for your Vac. part of it ( I still have mine hooked up just to see want my vac. is at. I running late right know so I'll respond to some of the other stuff later.

**RadRacer** · 07-22-2007, 08:24 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

I'd start your car off with a 50 dry shot, just to be safe. Nitrous will find every little fault with your engine and exploit them till it dies, so start small and work your way up. The waterproof push button isn't needed, and I wouldn't recommend it. Push button activated Nitrous is for movies, and movies only. Otherwise, you may end up spraying too low, through a shift, or something like that. For your tranny question, that's where the safety switches come in. By missing a shift, you could blow up your motor. But, with the safety switches installed, you'd have to floor it and get it up above 3K RPMs before the nitrous activated. If you miss a shift, I usually realize before the pedal hits the ground, and my RPMs usually get up to about 2500 or so. I'd say, watch it next time you miss. If you know it's not going to go in right (which it sounds like), then just make sure you don't put it to the floor until it's completely in gear and you should be fine. The boost gauge I don't think will work for your nitrous application. The kit comes with everything you need (FPSS, WOT, activation switch, lines, wiring, relays, etc), EXCEPT a window switch (which you already have on your list to buy). The bottle heater isn't needed, but helps to keep the actual pressure consistent. If you're not going to be running nitrous much, I wouldn't really worry about it. You say you're running a dry kit so you don't pool fuel and blow the engine. That only happens when people spray too low, or through shifts on a manual tranny. The WOT switch and window switch would prevent that. You can go higher with a wet kit than you can a dry kit. The highest for dry, I believe, is 80, so you're up there near that. If you ever wanted to up it, you'd have to convert to a wet kit. I'm no nitrous expert, just sharing the knowledge I have from reading. My kit's on it's way as I type, hoping to have installed by next weekend :D

**eric v6** · 07-22-2007, 08:58 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

Originally posted by ssms5411

I think you will like the nitrous better, I know I do from switching over from the powerdyne, boost gauge you won't need unless you want to use it for your Vac. part of it ( I still have mine hooked up just to see want my vac. is at. I running late right know so I'll respond to some of the other stuff later.

what shot are you running

**Shodown** · 07-22-2007, 09:19 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

Just a few things...

Get NGK TR6 spark plugs and gap them at .035.

As mentioned above, the boost gauge wont read anything but vaccum. I suggest replacing it with a nitrous pressure gauge (which you listed).

The 5175 comes with an FPSS and WOT swtich.

RadRacer says bottle heaters arent a necessity, but I believe they are. Nitrous isnt any good if your bottle is below 900 psi.

As for your tranny, if you miss a shift and hit the limiter you could blow your motor, BUT you listed that you are getting a window switch, that will take care of that problem. Dont get the NOS window switch...its wayyy over priced. I have one and I wish I had bought an MSD (they are only $85).

Whatever that nitrous quick change knob is...you dont need it.

The air/fuel ratio gauge is just a fancy light show and useless without a wideband. I suggest getting a wideband. I have a brand new one that I'll sell ya if you are interested ;) email me: shodown6969@yahoo.com

The NOS bottle heater....$250????

Thats absolutely rediculous. I wouldnt spend more than $130 for one. Harris Speed works and Dyno Tune both have them for just over $100.

Dont waste money on a mail order tune for nitrous. Get it dyno tuned.

Just my .02 :)

**eric v6** · 07-22-2007, 10:06 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

I have my harris speed nitrous kit hooked up and it didn't come with a window switch is this necessary to have. It came with a wot switch that I mounted under my gas pedal the thing I wanna ask is if I do get the window switch will I have to take off my wot switch that came with the kit or can the both coexist with each other

**Guardiannknight** · 07-22-2007, 10:10 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

Hey, thanks for all the great info :)

I'll probably keep the vac. gauge just for kicks and giggles :P Just more stuff to look at I'll be placing it somewhere out of the way. I have already ordered it along with the air fuel gauge, I really don't want to pay restock fees on them, so I'll just have to keep them. I really like the plug and run gauges, it comes with software that allows me to save stuff on a SD card and then load it up on my computer and see what is going on... Pretty sweet.

Shodown---> The air fuel one I'm getting is suppost to be wideband, that's what it is listed as... here is the part number at summit ATM-6778. All of the gauges except for the Nitrous PSI gauge will be running on a sensor module that I hook into my OBDII port. So, the gauges will be using my stock sensors. The module part number is ATM-6700. I'll check out the prices on the bottle heaters and window switch. Thanks for the info on those. I was thinking about getting that quick change knob so I would not have to worry about having to find a wrench to change out the bottle to get it feeled(guess that is the purpose of it). For spark plugs the ones I ordered are suppost to be the ones you listed.. The TR6's... I searched like crazy and I think they cross reference with NGK 4177. I'm hoping I got them right... Oo Also thanks for answering the question about the trans. I thought the window switch would keep something bad from happening, but was not sure. I was really worried what would happen if I hit WOT for about a second or less until i noticed i wasn't going to be able to hit 2nd with out double cluthing it. Thanks again for the info

RadRacer---> Thanks for the info also, alot of what I commented to Shodown goes to you also, I would just be repeating myself. Thanks big time for letting me know what was in the kit, I looked at several different sites and none of them ever really said what switches came with the kit. That cleared a lot up for me.

ssms5411---> sure hope I do.. I was pretty down :( when I heard they quit making the powerdyne kit, and then after hearing the price of the Mach and more than likey I would have to up my injectors, that is just more than I want to put into my major mod jump this go around. Plus with this, I will be less likey to get myself in trouble since I have to turn the stuff on.. I tend to get a little heavy foot when I pull out sometimes... Especially in heavy traffic... The 3.73 and the G-force trans is plenty get up in go for regular driving.. :D

One other thing I noticed you all might of looked over. Would it be ok to but the ZZP breather on my valve cover(replaces the oil filler cap)?? Would it help or hurt anything?

Thanks for giving me your knowledge and comments on everything, and feel free to keep on giving them. I'm not one to cut corners, and usually a little to over protective when it comes to stuff like this... So if there is any kind of saftey switch or something that will make the Nitrous run near perfect, then I will add it.

Edit----->As for the mail in tune, I would get a dyno tune, but there is none close to where I live... sadly. I think there may be one about an hour away, but I'll have to check on that. If not, then I may be looking at a 2 plus hour drive to find on. I live in the mountains... Oo Plus with the mail order tune, I only pay $40 for each tune update, and then $25 to ship the old one back, nothing major :) Better than stock, hopefully. Plus I have to get the tune I have right now replaced, before I would even think of spraying... The 93 advance tune is so... welll advanced I can't even run seafoam through my throttle body.. :P I remember when I first got the tune done, I had seafoamed it before the tune several times... Well, i was in for a little surprise this time around, i started pouring the seafoam down the throttle body and the **** blew right back at me, with the engine shutting down... talking about scaring the @#%# out of someone... Oo

Thanks again,
Jeff

**97rs4life** · 07-22-2007, 10:14 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

don't use the breather on an NA or nitroused car. meant for boost cars.

**Guardiannknight** · 07-22-2007, 10:25 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

well crap that sucks... :( would it hurt anything? sucks that I wasted $30 plus on it and not able to use it.

Thanks,
Jeff

**97rs4life** · 07-22-2007, 10:32 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

sell it on clubgp or here in the forums. Someone that is FI might want it.

No gain on a NA car for ya.

Also let me know if you want some better prices on all these parts you listed:
25-05175 NOS Nitrous System for 1993-1995 3.4l V6 Camaro/Firebird $549.99
25-14169 NOS Pressure Controlled Automatic Bottle Heater, 10lb & 15lb bottles $249.99
25-15879 NOS RPM Activated Switch $194.99
From summit--->ATM-7174 Gauge, C2, Nitrous Pressure, 0-1,600 psi, 2 1/16 in., Analog, Electrical, $199.95

I can get them cheaper for ya, I own www.gvperformance.com ;)

**RadRacer** · 07-22-2007, 10:38 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

I didn't say anything on the breather cuz I wasn't too sure on it. 4177 is the product number for TR6 plugs, so you're fine there. I had a mail-in tune on order when I bought my nitrous kit. I immediate called them and cancelled it, cuz I was getting the 93 octane tune as well. Dyno tune is always best, but mail-in nitrous tune is better than nothing. Once I get my kit on, I'll be running a 75 or so shot, then once I get to a dynotune, I'll up it, maybe even dual stage it.

eric- the two switches can coexist, and that's actually recommended. The window switch will make sure you don't spray through shifts, or at too low of an RPM (generally, anything below 3K). if you're an auto car, then you don't have to worry about spraying through shifts. With both switches, you have to have it floored and then the nitrous will spray through the set RPM range, then shutoff, giving you time to shift to the next gear and get the pedal to the floor again.

O, and check with 97rs for better prices on your stuff

EDIT: you beat me to it man. How much can you get me a Window switch with 1st gear lock out for? What about a dual stage window switch with TPS and 1st gear lockout on the 2nd stage? (looking for either for my upcoming kit)

**Shodown** · 07-22-2007, 10:38 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

Wideband is a separate O2 sensor from the stock O2 sensors. The part number you listed is just a gauge, not a wideband. Just pretty little $200 lights...not accurate a/f ratio reading.

eric v6, yes you can have a WOT switch as well as a window switch. Thats how my system is setup.

**Guardiannknight** · 07-22-2007, 10:42 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

Originally posted by 97rs4life

sell it on clubgp or here in the forums. Someone that is FI might want it.

No gain on a NA car for ya.

Also let me know if you want some better prices on all these parts you listed:
25-05175 NOS Nitrous System for 1993-1995 3.4l V6 Camaro/Firebird $549.99
25-14169 NOS Pressure Controlled Automatic Bottle Heater, 10lb & 15lb bottles $249.99
25-15879 NOS RPM Activated Switch $194.99
From summit--->ATM-7174 Gauge, C2, Nitrous Pressure, 0-1,600 psi, 2 1/16 in., Analog, Electrical, $199.95

I can get them cheaper for ya

Are they the same parts or a different brand? :) I'm just really picky when it comes to my Camaro :)

I may just put the breather on there.. :P since it won't hurt anything... I just hate having to send stuff out and try to sell it. I stay really busy durning the week, with almost no time to worry about stuff. That's why I'm tring to get all this stuff together so I can take some time off work and install it in one weekend or hopefully two weekends. The fuel pump and shock/struts I will be taking to performance shop that installed my trans and gears.

I guess that's another question... How hard is it to install a inline fuel pump? I was just looking at the directions and all the freaking wires Oo today, and I was like... wellll... maybe it would be better to have someone that has done this before install it... Oo

Thanks again,
Jeff

Thanks,
Jeff

**97rs4life** · 07-22-2007, 10:44 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

Same parts, all NOS and then the Autometer gauge.

inline pumps are alright to put in, if you are not going over a 75 shot though they are not really needed. Once you are at 100+ then fuel mods become more important.

I installed a 05175 kit on a buddies 97 camaro in a couple of hours, easy kits to work with

**Guardiannknight** · 07-22-2007, 10:46 PM

Re: Looks like I leaning toward Nitrous now...

Originally posted by Shodown

Wideband is a separate O2 sensor from the stock O2 sensors. The part number you listed is just a gauge, not a wideband. Just pretty little $200 lights...not accurate a/f ratio reading.

eric v6, yes you can have a WOT switch as well as a window switch. Thats how my system is setup.

OHhhh... that just sucks... Danggitt..... @#$@ @#$@#$ $@#$ Welllll... i'm going to have pretty little lights in my car now... Crap.... Oo

So, can I add a wideband sensor to my car, to make the gauge I bought run as wideband??? I'm hoping for a yes....

Thanks,
Jeff

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