I was wondering what you guys prefered for street use in LCA's. The hard moog bushings or the poly ones, and tubular or boxed? Also Ive seen the polyball ones but they look a little pricey and im not sure theyre not for street use. Just need something to help me get off the line better. The car isnt lowered or anything so i dont think i need to go adjustable.
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The guys most experienced in f-body suspension will tell you that Moog bushings in factory lower control arms are one of the best options for street use. They seem to agree that if you are to go after market, the J&M 3-piece poly ball lcas are the best way to go, because they give the benefits of poly without the downfall of it. The rubber sides prevent binding and make them appropriate for street use. Most anyone with experience will agree that poly bushings to not belong in after market lcas on the street.
I personally have the J&M 3-piece poly ball and I'm very happy with them. I wanted something after market and they have eliminated wheel hop and increased traction, but don't bind.
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I have poly bushings every where on my car from the whole front, trans , TQ arm , and whole rear haven't had any problems with them just grease them twice a year. I even have a rod end on the front lower A arm and its fine, I put some lithuim grease on them and haven't had any problems. Car handles excellent.08' L76 6.0L 4X4 Chevy EXT.Cab LTZ Vortec MAX with Snug top cover, Dynomax exhaust,Hptuners& K&N intake
96' Camaro M5 to A4 conversion, alot of mods . GT35R Turbo full suspension. Built engine
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Yea I like the poly bushings but I don't want to have to grease them every now and then. And I like the hard rubber ones. I think I saw some BMRs on eBay for a pretty cheap price, but it sounds like the poly or the ball style is probably going to give me the better performance.
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For a street car I would recommend either of the two:
Stock LCAs with the Moog hard rubber bushings. I have this setup with my Koni shocks and Strano springs and love it. I had gotten a limited slip differential installed without changing out the crappy stock bushings and there was a ton of wheel hop whenever I stomped the gas. Granted, the shocks also helped to eliminate wheel hop, but there was still some present until I added the newer bushings. I drive this car on the street and on some really crappy roads and am definitely happy with these bushings, especially for the price (about $25 per). Another advantage of hard rubber bushings is that it won't squeak in the cold (like poly) and doesn't require grease. Although I'd recommend slathering a little on install.
J&M 3-piece Polyball LCAs. These are a hard-to-beat price and are made for cars on the street. If you don't want to keep the stock stamped steel control arms but would still like the improved bushing design, go with these. The price isn't bad at all, especially compared to other aftermarket brand LCAs (currently marked down to $88.50).
In general, a rule of thumb with LCAs is that poly bushings and boxed control arms are not preferred for street use. While people use them for street cars and are happy with them, they're not the best setup for it. Poly is not the best option for corners, as it doesn't allow the right amount of twist at the bushing and therefore puts additional stress on other components. Boxed lower control arms were made with straight lines and drag use in mind. If you don't want to stick with stock arms and improved rubber bushings, at least go with a tubular design with the polyball bushing.'99 Camaro
'04 Saab 9-3 Aero
'90 Audi Coupe Quattro
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x3 on the J&M 3 piece polyball LCAs. exactly what i have and i love them --- amazing bang for your buckpacesetters|full 3" borla exhaust|3" stainless e-cutout|slp cai & ram intake|c/f whisper lid|tbs|eibach|kyb|stb|sfc's|adj.lca's & phb|slp fan|b&m t5|180*|z06 17x9.5|8000k hids|hptuners|d/s rotors
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Originally posted by Watazz View Postwhere did you find the poly ball LCAs for 88?
Originally posted by Watazz View Postalso for the PHB should i get the adjustable ones or just solid. the back of my car isnt lowered, but i do have larger rims and tires.'99 Camaro
'04 Saab 9-3 Aero
'90 Audi Coupe Quattro
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i wrestled with this decision for months, and after talking with TheGr8Schlotzky i decided to go for the J&M polyball LCAs. i'll never look back - one of the most satisfying upgrade-repairs i've done, yet.
here's where i ordered mine: http://www.lmperformance.com/18841/1.html (the free shipping is hard to beat)
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www.hotpart.com is where you go.
the LCA's are 88 and come out to 100 bucks even when shipped.
best price around
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http://www.lmperformance.com/18486/14.html
http://www.lmperformance.com/18841/1.html
think Im going to go with this setup. Sound good?
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On the Tom Henry RS Project...
see http://www.camarohomepage.com/project/index.htm
...we used the Global West "Quiet Ride" rear LCAs. They have a sperical bearing in one end and a Moog rubber bushing in the other. That's a better choice than poly in both ends because the rear LCAs on a 3/4 Gen F-car must rotate as well as move up and down. The mix of metal and rubber is also better than spherical bearings in both ends as it's not as noisy.
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