did the free rear lowering mod!!!

[andrew N.]

now my car looks noticably better w/ my GFX kit. rear went down about 1/2 inch.

good mod, no noise, no change in handling. im getting the slp takeoff springs and coils, cant wait!

[shortdog273]

Please don't tell me you cut your springs! [img]graemlins/omg.gif[/img]

[andrew N.]

i didnt cut or heat springs......i saw this post a while back and i tried it.

http://www.camarov6.com/cgi-bin/ulti...c&f=2&t=001225

i can always put them back, just trying a cheap solution.

[shortdog273]

Ah ok.

[Only4U]

is this a dumb mod? a lot of people seem to have a lot of different opinions on it.

[shortdog273]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Only4U:
is this a dumb mod? a lot of people seem to have a lot of different opinions on it.<hr></blockquote>

[Redsix]

I still say do the right thing and buy the lowering springs. It's your car, do whatever you want to it. I have spent too much time and money to get cheap. :rolleyes: just my $0.02.

[Backfire]

I drove with that mod for a few months with no problems. The drop isn't really significant, so if you "really" want to lower it, springs are a better option. I also barely noticed any additional noise or ride harshness. I put the isolators back on to do a back to back comparison of the ride and really felt little difference. Didn't see any wear on the chassis either. The spring sits bare on the axle, so I don't know why wear would be an issue at the chassis but not the axle?? As far as "cheaping" out, there are a number of free or do it yourself mods that work very well, so I don't know why this couldn't be the same. Some people just like to be able to quote big brand names to impress [img]tongue.gif[/img] One advantage over lowering springs is the spring rate remains the same and the stock shocks should have no more difficulty controlling the chassis than in the stock configuration.

[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: Backfire ]</p>

[12secondv6]

Is it a good mod, hmmmmmmmmmmm lemme think ...........
Well GM thought that it would be a good idea to have a rubber bushing in between a spring (which is constantly under compression) and the body of the car.
I kinda think they know what they are doing.
OK, now the arguement of, well what about the other side, spring to rear?
Um, have you seen where the spring rests on the rear? It is very think metal. Also there is a small raised portion on the rear axle for the spring to kind of fit into. The spring to body has this but it isn't as tight.
Would I do it? Um no.
Would I suggest anyone else do it? Um no.
If I was asked if it was a good mod? Um no.
Would I think it was put there for a reason? Um yes.

[MississippiMaro]

If your only argument against the mod is the fact that GM put a spring seat there for a reason, i'd say you don't know jack about an f-body. The 4th gen f-body is the paradigm of oddball engineering....engineers aren't perfect, occasionally, someone will find a better way to do something. And like someone else said, just because it doesn't cost anything, doesn't mean it's GHETTO. Just my 2 cents.

BTW...the spring seat is most likely there to dampen road noise as long as there is a soft compound beteen the metal parts to prevent scraping, it is probably not a structural concern.

[Blazzin Joe]

That spacer in there provides a level of Pre-Load on the spring itself. Taking it out removes that preload and opens up more of an opprotunity for the spring to actually come off the seat. Its a bad idea to mess with the suspension like this. Look at it this way. If lowering a car helps autocross handling, why dont autocrossers take the spacer out for that little extra bit of help. Maybe because its not safe... Think about it. Somethings may seem trivial to you, but maybe thats because you lack an engineering degree and the person who put something there did it for a fawking reason.

[Blazzin Joe]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by MississippiMaro:
If your only argument against the mod is the fact that GM put a spring seat there for a reason, i'd say you don't know jack about an f-body. The 4th gen f-body is the paradigm of oddball engineering....engineers aren't perfect, occasionally, someone will find a better way to do something. And like someone else said, just because it doesn't cost anything, doesn't mean it's GHETTO. Just my 2 cents.

BTW...the spring seat is most likely there to dampen road noise as long as there is a soft compound beteen the metal parts to prevent scraping, it is probably not a structural concern.<hr></blockquote>

You sir seem awfully quick to attack someone, i take it you know now GM F-Body engineering better than the people who made the car or maybe people on the board who have been working with their cars a little longer than you?

[MississippiMaro]

You sir seem awfully quick to assume, which probably marks you as an engineer. As a point of fact, i am an engineer, do have an engineering degree, and might just know what the hell i am talking about. but in case I don't let me add this. It's people who dare to experiment that drive research and development in this and any other industry. I applaud efforts to tinker and alter, improve and modify, or anything else that promotes innovation. Lowering springs didn't invent themselves and the free ram air mod is most certainly not a GM endorsed alteration. And while we're on the subject of attacks, I didn't attack him anymore than he did the person who did the mod in the first place. Also, food for thought - Number of posts on this board does not automatically equal vast experience or superior knowledge, i'm sure there are a few guys that have only a handful posts that could teach us all a thing or two.

[12secondv6]

&lt;---- Must know nothing about v6 f bodies

And Blazing Joe made a good point about autocrosser's keeping them in

[MississippiMaro]

Before this goes into antother tailspin like every other f-body board, let me say this. I value the opinion of all the senior members of this board, the point i was trying to make is that i don't accept it as gospel. I have many times sought their advice on a particular issue. having said that, however, i think it's important to point out that the first person who tried to do the t-top conversion was told by many of the senior members that it was not possible and that they wouldn't try it on THEIR cars. Now it's the most popular appearance mod. And I know all the autocrossers will have a hard time believing this, but not everyone cares about autocrossing their car. What might not be safe in the high-prformance world of auto-x may be perfectly fine for the street. I'm not trying to slam anyone, i was just defending ingenuity.