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[camaro97]

The post about V8 sus parts on a V6 kinda sparked my interest. I was lookin on the tech database and askin around and i found out the springs on 98+ V6 cars are te same as the V8(right???) They also have smaller sway bars... I was thinkin since im on a serious budget that i could go with takeoff springs, takeoff shocks, 19mm rear sway bar and 32mm 1LE front sway bar. This would basically be the setup for the 2002 RS right? This setup would be much cheepera and hopefully give me better perf. Any opinions are appriciated.

Matt
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[southern94]

u supposed to be in school boy

"ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww i am tellllllllllllling"

i think that it is a improvement but not much of one people will say it's better to spend a lil more and get the aftermarket but hell i don't know [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[camaro97]

HAHAHAHA, I am in school man! my last 2 classes give me net access and a lot of boredom. So guess what I do... :D I wish I could get to AIM though. Later man

Matt
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[Dominic]

The V8 shocks are like any 98+ deCarbon and are good while they're new but tend to wear out every 40,000 miles or so. They're not really stiff enough for the stock springs, but give a good ride. If you're looking for performance enhancement, this is not an upgrade I would do. This is only worth doing if you are looking to restore the ride to new.

I just autocrossed my 32/21 setup and couldnt get my car to oversteer for the life of me on the wet or dry parts of the track. With good tires I don't think you need to bother with the 19mm rear, go 21mm - you'll thank yourself after you put it on!

Takeoff springs - also not worth your money. If you want better springs look at the G2 or the Eibach, depending on whether you want stiffer or softer springs. The only ones that won't drop you are the 1LEs, and they're very good too performance wise [img]smile.gif[/img] .

[camaro97]

cool, what the price on the 1LE springs?

[V6Bob]

Everyone's probably heard it before, but...

Your idea of V8 springs and 32/19s is a _much_ better setup than 32/21s on stock V6 springs. It's cheaper, faster, and safer. What more could you possibly want?

You shouldn't take my word for it. Check with consistently _winning_ autocrossers or track racers. None of them uses a 21 rear except with huge front springs (like 500-600 lbs/inch) and/or with a 35mm front. Look at SLPs setups. The current 1LE uses 35/21 and stiff front springs. On V6 springs the SLP handling package uses 32/19s.

GM tried 32/21s for one year, ten years ago, and decided they were a bad idea, even on V8 springs. Most people agree. On V6 springs (soft fronts) they're a worse idea.

I like Dominic and think he's doing a fantastic job moderating this board. But on this particular issue, he's in disagreement with a lot of people way more knowledgeable than me.

[camaro97]

ok, so now i have two contradictory oppinions... Anyone else that maybe could shed some light... especailly if ur running the setup ur talkin about on your car now.

Thanks
Matt
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[thebigwaldo]

I've had both a 21 and a 19mm rear bar with my 32 front.

I bought the 21 with my 32mm front bar and swapped them both out. High speed turns were kinda iffy and slow(er), sharp turns resulted in a fishtail most of the time.

When I got my new rearend, it came with a 19mm bar on it so I figuered I'd give it a try. With the 19mm, things seem a bit different; high speed turns feel more planted while at low speed it's tougher to get sideways (that could partly be the lsd tho) and when doing dounuts, it likes to push the front end some.

When driving at sane and legal speeds there isn't much of a difference, but when the tires are being tested, the difference is apparent.

That's just how it all seems to me.

-Jeremy

[camaro97]

sounds like another important issue is tires... Im runnin Bridgestone Potenza RE910's. What r u guys using on these sway setups, cus im sure some tires handle the added stress differently...

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[thebigwaldo]

Eh, that's not really what I meant (my bad). By "testing the tires" I mean driving pretty hard- Sliding etc.

Either way I'm runnin 255/50R16 Futura Ultra Z's. Pretty crappy tires in my opinion. I liked the feel of my old 235/55 Bridgestone Potenza's better.

-Jeremy

[strobhen]

Camaro97, you are absolutely right, tires do play a big difference.

I am no expert on the subject however, I do know that for autocrossing you want a tire with a stiff sidewall (so it doesn't give in to body roll). Some tires have stiffer sidewalls than others, lower profile tires are stiffer than taller ones.

Autocrossing is like drag racing in this sense. Some really good tires can take down your times quite a bit IF you have a setup that compliments them.

[camaro97]

yea i found that ou t the hard way after i bought my new tires. those potenzas have stiffer sidewall than my old Goodyears and the dont hook for **** at the srag strip. Oh well, guess its time for some nittos there.... lol But im on a rather shoestring budget, so what u would reccoment as far as sus stuff goes(sway bars, shocks, and springs.)

thanks
matt
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