What LCAs with SLP Stg2 PHR?

[scottblack]

Okay well i am getting the SLP Stage 2 Panhard Rod, and i want a good drag suspension but corners are fun too. So should i go with 1LE LCAs or Hotchkis? I plan to get 1LE springs either way, and should i get LCA Relocating brackets? I don't know what those do, but they seem to go well in conjunction with everything else, so I may as well do it right. I'm gonna love my Auburn differential too, here's what I say to all you with the Zexel Torsen! [img]graemlins/fluffy.gif[/img] :D

Scott

[scottblack]

Maybe i'll just go with the full 1LE package, cause i don't even know if i'm gonna mod the hell outta my car or not. Ahh decisions decisions! I want it all baby!

Scott

[DominusEtDeusNatus]

I hope you don't mean the boxed version of 1LE panhard rod. That's a waste of money. Just get the regular 1LE panhard rod. 1LE springs are great for corners, but they are too stiff for drag racing. You want the front end to come up when launching. My car is perfectly level doesn't matter what I do. It's great for the street.

[Patrick Javert]

Relocation brackets are for when you lower your car so you can maintain a good rear suspension geometry. I suggest getting adj. lca's, adj. phr, and an upgraded torque arm if you like doing 1/4 mile races while keeping your car streetable or for auto-x. I don't suggest buying any 1le **** because you can allways find something better made by the aftermarket(hotchkis, slp, bmr, lakewood, global suspension, ect.)

[FirebirdGT]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Patrick Javert:
I don't suggest buying any 1le **** because you can allways find something better made by the aftermarket(hotchkis, slp, bmr, lakewood, global suspension, ect.)<hr></blockquote>

I don't agree, just because it's aftermarket doesn't make it better. I have all 1LE, other than SLP or Hotchkis (if I was into drag racing) I wouldn't put that other junk on my car. None of it meets OEM quality standards, if fact none of them would even be considered as a supplier to an OEM.

[DominusEtDeusNatus]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Patrick Javert:
Relocation brackets are for when you lower your car so you can maintain a good rear suspension geometry. I suggest getting adj. lca's, adj. phr, and an upgraded torque arm if you like doing 1/4 mile races while keeping your car streetable or for auto-x. I don't suggest buying any 1le **** because you can allways find something better made by the aftermarket(hotchkis, slp, bmr, lakewood, global suspension, ect.)<hr></blockquote>

Define better? You can get nice colors? It's shiny? It looks so pretty even though you can't see it cause it's below the car?

1. Relocation brackets help traction. If you put the LCA into the bottom hole you will have bind unless you run spherical ends. It is not just for lowered cars.

2. Adj. Panhard Rod is not needed, unless you have some very wide tires and lowered the car so much the axle is visibly not centered and one tire is rubbing.

3. Torque arm is a waste of money on a V6. You will never have that much torque that it will help you in any way. Poly bushing does help though on launches.

Hotchkis is overpriced. Lakewood makes inferior products and they are made for only drag. Global West makes good A-Arms. BMR is good for STB, relocation brackets, subframes, and they got stuff for drag racing consisting of poly. I would go with Spohn rod ended stuff before I got BMR cause of better quality. SLP doesn't make anything original or special. You could buy 1LE through them. It's cheaper then gmparts.

[Guardsman]

tnamotorsports also carries a bit of SLP stuff, including the sway bars, panhard bars, and LCAs, and they're a tad bit cheaper than SLP.

[scottblack]

Okay, well....

I don't know exactly wtf the PHR is, he just threw it in there with the Auburn unit so i said sure why not. Dom, what springs do you have? And what suspension lineup do you have? I have heavily considered the Spohn lineup as well, at least the PHR and LCAs. I have BMR subframes in the mail that i got a decent deal on brand new. I really do like the 1LE stuff, but i don't want to mix and match more than i already have. As far as the LCAs, PHR, springs, and swaybars/endlinks go, I want those all to be the same. Thus the preference for 1LE. Thanks for all input.

Scott

[scottblack]

I also forgot to ask about shocks.

Dom i read your LCA info guide, thanks.
Ok, so 1LE springs are too stiff for dragging... but i don't want to have to get new shocks also if i put on Eibachs or X brand lowering springs. I think i will stay with the 1LE springs; aren't there any shocks you can get to match those since i am assuming it wouldn't be of best interest to keep the stock ones on.
What about spohn LCAs/brackets/PHR, along with everything else 1LE?

Scott

[DominusEtDeusNatus]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Scott Black:
I also forgot to ask about shocks.

Dom i read your LCA info guide, thanks.
Ok, so 1LE springs are too stiff for dragging... but i don't want to have to get new shocks also if i put on Eibachs or X brand lowering springs. I think i will stay with the 1LE springs; aren't there any shocks you can get to match those since i am assuming it wouldn't be of best interest to keep the stock ones on.
What about spohn LCAs/brackets/PHR, along with everything else 1LE?

Scott<hr></blockquote>

1LE springs are not horrible for drag. They are just not optimal. You should keep your stock V6 springs if you ever decide to switch back. That's what I did. Soft front V6 springs make it very easy to lift the front end up. Look at Keith (Magnus), he lifted his front end up for a sec with skinnies and stock V6 suspension. My front end came up alot with my stock converter and 3.08s. This is great for drag racing, but it sucks on the street. I like to tune my car for where it spends 99% of it's time. Some like to drive like grandma around turns and have a horrible ride every day. To each his own. You will love 1LE springs. Don't get lowering springs unless you never want to drag. Those are only for looks and cornering. Even the drag kit from Eibach is not worth the money.

When getting aftermarket LCA and Panhard Rod(PHR), you have to make sacrifieces. If you get poly/poly or poly/rubber they will make your rear end too stiff. Equivalent of infinite spring rates. I drove with 1LE springs/shocks/sway bar in just the rear for 3 weeks. Talk about oversteer. I could 1/2 throttle around a corner and light up my tires like no other. It was fun, but not too good for performance. I really noticed a huge difference. Then I put the front end in and it was amazing how controlable the car was. I can take turns and do emergency lane changes much much faster and they still feel way more controlable then before. The stock V6 suspension was made for women. They probably figured if you want performance you'll get a V8 or 1LE. I just hate myself for not doing this years ago.

If you don't have wheel hop problems you might not need control arms just yet. Same for brackets. I got brackets, but I haven't tested them yet. Car is down for a few days. On the lowest setting they will bind unless you have rod ends, but limit wheel hop greatly. I'll try them on both settings. Probably will use the lowest one only on track days or when I get my rod ended LCAs. You want the bolt in kind and then also get them welded. Or just get the weld in ones and make sure they get welded in proper place.

Panhard rod limits the side to side movement of the axle when cornering. 1LE PHR is very cheap so you can always try that and if you don't like it sell it. 1LE LCA are $80 from SLP. I'm probably getting rod ends on both ends. Spohn and BMR are the only ones that makes them that way. I heard that Spohn has better quality. Warning, they are noisy and do have to have the ends replaced. For panhard rod I'm still debating rod ends or 1LE or poly. I took mine off and the bushing seems untouched. Like it never had any load on it. (100,000 miles, look brand new). Those 2 bolts are taking up the load. I'd probably go with 1LE since it's way cheaper for now. Tubular ones are not needed at all. Total waste of money.

Right now I got. 1LE springs/shocks(94 ones, new)/sway bars. I got poly bushings/endlinks on sway bars. Make sure you get the right endlinks for the 1LE bars. There are more then one kind so order the bar first and then check back here. And I also have relocation brackets, poly torque arm mount, poly trans mount, that I haven't tested yet. I have huge wheel hop problems. Hopefully those will go away now. If not then control arms are my next mod.

[moneyshotz]

I too was thinking about getting some new LCAs and the relocating brackets. I was thinking of 1LE LCAs but I'm not sure what relocating brackets to get. I'm also thinking about putting Eibach pro kit springs too. But I also do not know what kind of shocks to put in. I was thinking about the SLP take-offs. But I still want my car to jump during launches. Any opinions will help.
Thanks :D

[scottblack]

Alright! Making some major progress here!

1LE springs, all around.....check!
LCAs, PHR...unsure, going to just try the Stage 2 thing i got and then probably get something else. As far as front control arms go, i was reading the part # list on the tech database and it listed those for the front, both upper and lower. Since i'm not autocrossing, but still loooove corners, would those be a waste of money? I don't see why i would need them.
Poly trans mount is definite.
I have huge wheel hop, it may go away with the LSD going in though. Shocks..... should i get the Koni's that come with the 1LE pack also?
As far as endlinks go, i want what will last longer and not have to maintain as often, but still perform well. Asking for both worlds on that one, mainly the reliability issue on that.
1LE front/rear swaybars and endlinks...check!

Dom i sincerely appreciate all of your help with me. You have been a great resource and i cannot thank you enough! Keep it coming guys! [img]smile.gif[/img]

Scott