How much do you thinkis a reasonable offer?

[SexySixer707]

How much do you think is a reasonable offer for a pair of '99 1le sway bars?

[dmw319]

80 shipped.

[SexySixer707]

Originally posted by dmw319:
80 shipped.

Well, it's a local pickup so I'll try 80, if not that then $100.

Also, what do I have to look for when I buy it? Any parts that need to be with it?
Thanks D!

[dmw319]

100 isnt that bad still. just dont go over that. he is probably only selling you the front and back bar alone (without the bushings/endlinks.. these hold your bar in place..) you already have bushings/endlinks on your car right now with your stock bars (same ones as the 1le), but i would suggest getting new ones anyways because your endlinks/bushings are prolly worn out.. good upgrade and theyre cheap!

[V6Bob]

Note that the rear bar is too big for a V6 with stock springs.

The V8 needs it because of the big front springs and forward weight distribution, which load the front tires more. The big rear bar transfers cornering load from the front to the rear. On a V6 it just overloads the rear tires, which, in wet weather or an emergency swerve, can be downright dangerous. It certainly isn't the hot setup.

[SexySixer707]

Originally posted by V6Bob:
Note that the rear bar is too big for a V6 with stock springs.

The V8 needs it because of the big front springs and forward weight distribution, which load the front tires more. The big rear bar transfers cornering load from the front to the rear. On a V6 it just overloads the rear tires, which, in wet weather or an emergency swerve, can be downright dangerous. It certainly isn't the hot setup.

I have Eibach proline springs. So this will be ok?

[V6Bob]

"I have Eibach proline springs. So this will be ok?"

I don't know what would work well with those springs. I'd call Eibach and ask.

Swaybars are tricky. It's hard to say what's best. Racers pick them by testing, theory won't do the job. But some combos are clearly wrong.

[Vracer111]

Originally posted by SexySixer707:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by V6Bob:
Note that the rear bar is too big for a V6 with stock springs.

The V8 needs it because of the big front springs and forward weight distribution, which load the front tires more. The big rear bar transfers cornering load from the front to the rear. On a V6 it just overloads the rear tires, which, in wet weather or an emergency swerve, can be downright dangerous. It certainly isn't the hot setup.

I have Eibach proline springs. So this will be ok?</font>[/QUOTE]Springs are not really the main issue with larger bars; it's having adequate tires to control your car that is the issue. Putting on larger/stiffer suspension components requires having tires that can control the car, along with a driver that knows how to correctly handle the car. The 1-LE Bars will be fine as long as you have adequate tires (Max performance summer tires is my recommendation) and you are capable of handling it. If you do not know your driving capability or your vehicles limits and beyond then I would recommend attending some autocrosses or taking some performance-driving course.

I disagree (and always will) with V6Bob that big "anti-roll" bar are in themselves dangerous with stock springs. Dangerous really depends on driver ability and car setup. And I will tell you (and show you below) that my Camaro does not display any dangerous characteristics at or beyond its limits. It has stock springs, the Hotchkis Sport "swaybar" set, Koni SA dampers, Hawk HP+ pads front/HPS pads rear, and 275/40-17 Nitto NT-555RII R-compound tires on 17x9.5 Z06 replica wheels. My interior is completely gutted though (except for the dash and A-pillar plastic trim) so it weighs around 100+ pounds lighter than your normal V6 street legal camaro. For me it's easy to drive, will outbrake most any street car, and is stable when tossing it around. And when it does get loose you can reign it back in without much fuss - assuming you didn't do a boneheaded maneuver, in which case (just like in any other vehicle) you would have to ride it out.

HERE is a thread in the Autocross/Roadracing section which contains a link with some video footage from a recent track weekend at MSR Houston, a new roadcourse that just opened in the Houston area. As you can see, the camaro performs great with stock springs and 36.5mm front/25mm rear hollow bars.

[ December 13, 2005, 03:53 AM: Message edited by: Vracer111 ]

[SexySixer707]

Originally posted by Vracer111:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SexySixer707:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by V6Bob:
Note that the rear bar is too big for a V6 with stock springs.

The V8 needs it because of the big front springs and forward weight distribution, which load the front tires more. The big rear bar transfers cornering load from the front to the rear. On a V6 it just overloads the rear tires, which, in wet weather or an emergency swerve, can be downright dangerous. It certainly isn't the hot setup.

I have Eibach proline springs. So this will be ok?</font>[/QUOTE]Springs are not really the main issue with larger bars; it's having adequate tires to control your car that is the issue. Putting on larger/stiffer suspension components requires having tires that can control the car, along with a driver that knows how to correctly handle the car. The 1-LE Bars will be fine as long as you have adequate tires (Max performance summer tires is my recommendation) and you are capable of handling it. If you do not know your driving capability or your vehicles limits and beyond then I would recommend attending some autocrosses or taking some performance-driving course.

I disagree (and always will) with V6Bob that big "anti-roll" bar are in themselves dangerous with stock springs. Dangerous really depends on driver ability and car setup. And I will tell you (and show you below) that my Camaro does not display any dangerous characteristics at or beyond its limits. It has stock springs, the Hotchkis Sport "swaybar" set, Koni SA dampers, Hawk HP+ pads front/HPS pads rear, and 275/40-17 Nitto NT-555RII R-compound tires on 17x9.5 Z06 replica wheels. My interior is completely gutted though (except for the dash and A-pillar plastic trim) so it weighs around 100+ pounds lighter than your normal V6 street legal camaro. For me it's easy to drive, will outbrake most any street car, and is stable when tossing it around. And when it does get loose you can reign it back in without much fuss - assuming you didn't do a boneheaded maneuver, in which case (just like in any other vehicle) you would have to ride it out.

HERE is a thread in the Autocross/Roadracing section which contains a link with some video footage from a recent track weekend at MSR Houston, a new roadcourse that just opened in the Houston area. As you can see, the camaro performs great with stock springs and 36.5mm front/25mm rear hollow bars. </font>[/QUOTE]Ok, thanks man. I have the exact rims as well with those goodyear V design tires (newbie). The wide ones. I'll give them a try. I'll have to get my bilsteins first and then put everything on at once.

[V6Bob]

Vracer and I have had this disagreement forever. The one thing I'll say is that he is one of a very few autocrossers who thinks a 25mm rear bar is the hot setup. Most of the fast V8 guys go with 19, a few with 21. For the reasons I've said, the V6, on stock springs, needs a smaller rear bar than the V8.

On the street I think a 25 rear on stock V6 springs is _really_ dangerous. Whether you're a great driver or not, and whatever your tires are.

[Vracer111]

Originally posted by V6Bob:
Vracer and I have had this disagreement forever. The one thing I'll say is that he is one of a very few autocrossers who thinks a 25mm rear bar is the hot setup. Most of the fast V8 guys go with 19, a few with 21. For the reasons I've said, the V6, on stock springs, needs a smaller rear bar than the V8.

On the street I think a 25 rear on stock V6 springs is _really_ dangerous. Whether you're a great driver or not, and whatever your tires are.

I'm not sure if the hollow 25mm Hotchkiss rear bar is the "Hot setup", but it works well for me. "Works well" meaning I am right on the tail of the top guys in SM class (with double the HP and stickier tires). And "works well" meaning by my last track session [before the Powersteering failed] at MSR a Corvette Z06 and trio of Lotus Elises on the stock Yokohama R-compounds could only get away from me in the straights where their power to weight advantage came into play. Main reason I like the 25mm rear bar right now is that the car is balanced exactly like I want it - I don't have to manhandle the vehicle, it goes where I point it and can tighten or widen the line via throttle without sliding around. I know my camaro easily pulls over 1.0G in the corners, well because my Tacoma pulls 1.0G in the corners on stock springs (but that's another story...and it involves "dangerously huge" rear swaybars too! :D ).

Speaking of the V-8 guys, most of the FRRAX members use hollow 35mm front/hollow 22mm rear bars; and they have stiffer springs than stock. I haven't tried a hollow 22mm yet, though it probably is better since I would have more useable adjustment range on the Konis (mainly having faster rebound available) for varying track conditions. The 25mm rear works well for me in all conditions: dry, wet, gravel on surface, smooth asphalt, bumpy sections, ruts/ridges in road, etc. I wouldn't drive it on the road if I felt it was unsafe as it's really a track only car that is minimally street legal. So far there's nothing on the roads that's been a problem for the Camaro: dry conditions, wet conditions, quickly avoiding debris, slowing down quickly, bumpy road conditions, etc...

So take it how you will, but my setup currently works fine for me.

[FirebirdGT]

Originally posted by SexySixer707:
How much do you think is a reasonable offer for a pair of '99 1le sway bars?

Do you know what actual size? 1LE bars on a 99 would be 32mm front and 19mm rear.