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The BMR 2point is all you need - its super beefy and does the trick - fits well and looks great.
Don't spend crazy money on an STB, you only will get a mild improvement from it suspensionwise. It is worth your while, but go as cheap as possible [img]smile.gif[/img] My BMR was strong enough to keep the front end of my firebird from collapsing and it didn't bend a mm [img]smile.gif[/img] Im using the same one on my 2002 now [img]smile.gif[/img]
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by FirebirdGT: Hotchkis, it is more than a piece of nicely painted pipe.<hr></blockquote>
The STB is necessary but the loads placed on it are EASILY handled by the BMR. You seriously need to hold some of these BMR components in your hand Robert - I know hotchkis makes good components but not the best of everything.
I guarantee you CANNOT break a BMR STB with any Fbody load, no matter how insane... My BMR was FULLY exposed to my 50mph wreck into a tree that specifically shoved the right suspension fully into the engine bay. It lifted the car rather than crumpling and saved my life.
Most STBs are also under pulling forces, not compression forces like most people assume, and theyre minor on our cars but present (1" max change).
Dominic and FirebirdGT
How about each one of you give me the reason you bought the STB and what exactly it has done to your performance! Since both of you extremely like the one you bought, lemme see which one appeals to me.... (hmm... let's see how this goes) **okay kids, no arguing** ;)
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SuprSpdDB7: Dominic and FirebirdGT
How about each one of you give me the reason you bought the STB and what exactly it has done to your performance! Since both of you extremely like the one you bought, lemme see which one appeals to me.... (hmm... let's see how this goes) **okay kids, no arguing** ;) <hr></blockquote>
Call no STB 0 points. Call the ideal stb 100 points. IMHO, both the BMR and the Hotchkiss would score more than 90. If it is worth it to you to have the more sophisticated Hotchkiss, go for it. But I'd be very surprised if you could tell a functional difference.
The same is true of most sfcs. I paid for the KBDDs because theoretically they spread the load out better and I like the thought of having the best. But I think other sfcs would be about as good.
Chassis stiffness braces are not like moving parts. "Good enough" is a valid idea here.
STB is an STB (almost). Whatever you choose, don't get one that is a 3-point, or you could (and there are arguments about this everywhere) shatter a windshield. My advice -- get a BMR through one of their GPs ($75 + shipping) or a spectacle solutions (www.spectaclesolutions.com).
And don't get SFCs, get a roll bar ! (check sig, he he he)
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Bob: Call no STB 0 points. Call the ideal stb 100 points. IMHO, both the BMR and the Hotchkiss would score more than 90. If it is worth it to you to have the more sophisticated Hotchkiss, go for it. But I'd be very surprised if you could tell a functional difference.
The same is true of most sfcs. I paid for the KBDDs because theoretically they spread the load out better and I like the thought of having the best. But I think other sfcs would be about as good.
Chassis stiffness braces are not like moving parts. "Good enough" is a valid idea here.<hr></blockquote>
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Bob: Call no STB 0 points. Call the ideal stb 100 points. IMHO, both the BMR and the Hotchkiss would score more than 90. If it is worth it to you to have the more sophisticated Hotchkiss, go for it. But I'd be very surprised if you could tell a functional difference.
The same is true of most sfcs. I paid for the KBDDs because theoretically they spread the load out better and I like the thought of having the best. But I think other sfcs would be about as good.
Chassis stiffness braces are not like moving parts. "Good enough" is a valid idea here.<hr></blockquote>
I don't agree. Hotchkis is far superior to BMR in everything Hotchkis makes. Hotchkis is 100, BMR is 30.
"Hotchkis is far superior to BMR in everything Hotchkis makes. Hotchkis is 100, BMR is 30."
Good grief, this rating (30) shows bias, rather than engineering analysis. I have a BMR stb. Heavy piece of steel tubing that bolts securely to the tops of the suspension towers. Braces the front end. What more could a Hotchkis possibly do, except look pretty????????????? It can't possibly be three times as stiff. And, even if it were, flexibility elsewhere in the front would make the added stiffness unnoticeable. I've never heard of one failing, and, if it did, what are the consequences?
We're talking about an stb. An stb is like a brick. Given a good quality brick, what would a luxury brick do better?
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by V6Bob: "Hotchkis is far superior to BMR in everything Hotchkis makes. Hotchkis is 100, BMR is 30."
Good grief, this rating (30) shows bias, rather than engineering analysis. I have a BMR stb. Heavy piece of steel tubing that bolts securely to the tops of the suspension towers. Braces the front end. What more could a Hotchkis possibly do, except look pretty????????????? It can't possibly be three times as stiff. And, even if it were, flexibility elsewhere in the front would make the added stiffness unnoticeable. I've never heard of one failing, and, if it did, what are the consequences?
We're talking about an stb. An stb is like a brick. Given a good quality brick, what would a luxury brick do better?<hr></blockquote>
Because the Hotchkis is NOT a piece of painted bent pipe. It is an engineered structural support. It is NOTHING like the BMR, or SLP, in design.
And yes, as an mechanical engineer and quality manager in the automotive industry, I am biased - just as many on this Board are baised to BMR since they're inexpensive (cheap to me).
But it is your car, so buy what ever you want.
[ November 06, 2002: Message edited by: FirebirdGT ]</p>
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