Fastchip or Jetchip?

[Darknight]

Ok, I finally found two companies that offer a chip to fit my Series I 3800. The Fastchip is $150, and the Jetchip is $190. Cost aside, which chip do most of you prefer?

DK

[Dark Knight]

Man you need to change your name, It is entirely to close to mine!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[dstrbd1]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dark Knight:
Man you need to change your name, It is entirely to close to mine!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: <hr></blockquote>

eh, you should see how many knight riders we have around here.

as to the question, i've heard good things about jet, but then there's the fact that you have to use high octane gas. i haven't heard anything about fastchips though.

[Guardiannknight]

I've never heard of Fastchip before either. I have a Jetchip and I love it. Just make sure you have done intake and exhaust mods already, like CAI, High flow cat and muffler. It is also a good idea to install a lower thermy before you get the chip. You can go with either a 160 or 180 degree. I myself have the 160 and love it. With the thermy you may also want to install a manual fan switch. "If any of this does not make since, I just got out of bed, so look over it. LOL" ;)

[Darknight]

Dark Knight, I hadn't seen you post here before. Besides that, I've been a long time poster at Knight Rider Online under this name. It's kinda my trademark, so I'm sorry, but I'm keeping it.

Now, I've looked into the Fastchip pretty good so far. It looks like it's about the best for my vehicle, since it also adds to partial throttle power. That should help me avoid unnecessary downshifts. Its designer appears to have good credentials, but I'll keep looking around before I buy anything.

DK

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[95Batmobile]

I know with my 95, the computer learns what those piggyback or inline little chips do and corrects it after a couple months making them worthless. The fastchip is a reprogramming of your computer, so you will not have to worry about the computer correcting the chip. I am going to get a fast chip over spring break while I am home so my dad and I can install it, I'd recommend the same to you.

[Guardiannknight]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
I know with my 95, the computer learns what those piggyback or inline little chips do and corrects it after a couple months making them worthless. The fastchip is a reprogramming of your computer, so you will not have to worry about the computer correcting the chip. I am going to get a fast chip over spring break while I am home so my dad and I can install it, I'd recommend the same to you.<hr></blockquote>

From my track results, it seems that my Chip must be a hard Chip to learn then, because I've had my Jet Chip for over 2 years, and I've not seen a drop back in my 1/4 times. [img]smile.gif[/img] I just don't see how our PCM can correct a Chip that is placed to somewhat over ride and make it's own tables?? Just don't see it happening. :D Not tring to flame yeah or anything, but where did you hear this?? When did our PCM's become Chip programming tool?? Just wondering, cause I've never heard this one before... [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Guardiannknight]

I went over to the www.fastchip.com page to check it out. From the comments part of the webpage, it seems that they send you a chip just the same as Jetchip does. I keep reading the comments from the buyers, and they keep saying thanks for the chip and how easy the chip was to install. Seems they do the same type of programming as JetChip does. Once again, not tring to flame anyone, just tring to get the info straight. The fastchip could be a great chip, who knows, it seems to be on the same lines with Jet Chip. I myself love JetChips, since I know they do work. I've had mine for 2 plus years. Also a friend of mine just bought one for his 2001 Cavalier and we both can tell a big difference in his car. He has not tested it at the track yet, but after he put the chip on, he can do one hell of a burn out now. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

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[Magnus]

This is a real basic mod question so I'm moving it to general tech.

[95Batmobile]

I thought the Jetchip was like a piggyback chip or one of those inline chips that doesn't replace the PCM?
My dad told me that my computer learns the inline/piggyback stuff, I've also read it on some websites. It's only common sense, isn't that what our cars are supposed to do? For ex, oh, temperature is lower, adjust this blah blah blah. The chip changes fuel and stuff like that so the computer should notice and change it back..

[Guardiannknight]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 95Batmobile:
I thought the Jetchip was like a piggyback chip or one of those inline chips that doesn't replace the PCM?
My dad told me that my computer learns the inline/piggyback stuff, I've also read it on some websites. It's only common sense, isn't that what our cars are supposed to do? For ex, oh, temperature is lower, adjust this blah blah blah. The chip changes fuel and stuff like that so the computer should notice and change it back..<hr></blockquote>

Yes our cars are suppose to learn from the sensors correct. But, our PCM's cannot over write another chips programming. In the same lines, performance chips(like the Jetchip and other similar performance chips) can not over write our PCM tables. But, the performance chips are programmed to use the best tables witch would be it’s own. Jetchips along with any other performance chips that are made the same way are programmed with better tables that allow our cars to gain HP from performance upgrades, this is done by advancing the timing. Now factory programming is made for primarily better fuel economy not performance. So the factory computers do not have the tables that the performance chips have. For example, the stage 2 chip from Jet Chip, the tables are made for certain upgrades done to the car, and you must use 91 or higher octane due to the advance of timing. I can go into greater detail if you want me to. Please understand I’m not trying to start anything or flame you. I’m just trying to get the correct answer across. Also, I would like to have some of the website addresses you found for your info if possible.

[Darknight]

Spark advancement should enhance efficiency, all the way until the piston reaches TDC. Before or after that, in theory, it should drop off. This chip should improve my fuel efficiency, or at least not hurt it, I hope.

Nope, there is no way that the a computer chip that is gone can alter the one which is put in its place. They haven't developed telekinetic chips yet :D

[95Batmobile]

It's cool Guardiannknight I'm not getting upset or anything [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I don't know the websites where I have read that stuff, I look at a lot of sites when I am researching upgrades for my car. If your Jet chip is working the thats great. I just have more peace of mind with a completely reprogramming computer.
Do you know the average horsepower gains with the Jet chip? State 1 or 2, which is higher?
Fastchip says 15-16hp at the wheels at 25ftlbs of torque.
I was looking at some other cars' gains from the jetchip and they were all in the same area as well, but there wasn't one from a 3.4L V6 that I saw on their website.

[Guardiannknight]

That'z cool 95Batmobile. Just tring to keep things peaceful. ;) The gains for the Stage 2 chip is around the same as you listed for the fastchips. I think it's 18+ hp though(for the 2000 3.8 Camaro and Firebird). As for the difference between the stage 1 and stage 2. To better explain it. Just go to www.jetchip.com then go to FAQ, and you'll find your answer there. The stage 2 is the better of the two and requires 91 + octane, plus it is recommended that you place a 160 to 180 thermy in your car, which is not a bad idea anyway. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] To get the max performance out of performance chips, it is best to have done upgrades like cold air intake, fully fix your exhaust (high flow cat and muffler), lower thermy, and spark plugs and wires to help out. By having those mods done alone, you will see the increase from the performance chip. Were people do not see much gains, is when they install the chip with hardly no mods done. That is when you hear a lot of the negative feed back. As for the 3.4, you can call Jet Chip or email them. I'm sure they would be glad to tell you any info you would like to know. I hope this info helps, need anything else just let me know. I'll be glad to help you all I can. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[aalugo2000]

hey,
just wanted to add my 2 cents on the jetchip... i had their stage 2 chip, and didnt notice hardly any difference, maybe a little in throttle response, but thats reaching for something, so i sond it on ebay. so i dont really like their chips, mine was for a 99 3.8 of course, but you can take it for what its worth.

since im planning on getting the powerpack, im looking for somewhere that can completely reprogram (flash?) my computer.