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I was reading up on the suspension sticky's and it mentions not to go over 21 mm's unless you know what your doing, but doesnt go on to explain why. does anyone have an answer as to why not? thanks
Mike
21mm REAR sway bar
2000 Camaro 3.8l T5<br />whisper lid, free ram air mod
I was reading up on the suspension sticky's and it mentions not to go over 21 mm's unless you know what your doing, but doesnt go on to explain why. does anyone have an answer as to why not? thanks
Mike
21mm REAR sway bar
A big rear sway bar transfers more cornering load to the rear tires. That can cause the car to be very easy to spin, especially in an emergency maneuver or slippery weather. It's not safe.
The rear bar doesn't significantly prevent roll. It's a suspension tuning device. It needs to be the _right_ size, bigger isn't better.
In addition to not being safe on the road, it's not fast on the track. Transfering cornering load to the rear tires reduce your ability to accelerate off a corner. He who gets the power down first wins.
Most fast guys with stock V8 springs think a 21mm rear bar is too big. It's definitely too big for V6 springs. The only use I can see for a 25 bar is maybe a V8 roadrace car with huge front springs. Even then...
A rear bar controls the amount of rear grip via weight transfer, thereby determining cornering attitude and quickness in transitional (side to side) handling. Going with a larger rear bar decreases the ultimate rear grip available while increasing the transitional responsiveness. A large front bar really won't hurt handling much with an F-body, because it will help with reducing bodyroll without greatly affecting understeer. But it will add some understeer, which is why upgrading the rear swaybar is used to balance the bit of understeer out when a larger front anti-roll bar is used.
35mm front and 21mm rear would not be a bad combination IMO provided you have proper performance shocks and grippy high performance tires. The tires and shocks are really the limiting factor in suspension setup anyways. Larger swaybars can't be of much use if the tires used are junk or the shocks are stock or equivalent. Adjustable rear shocks really are necessary with LARGE rear anti-roll bars.
well as of right now my suspension setup is bone stock. my plan was to upgrade sway bars first, then shocks and springs, but it sounds like i should do it the other way around
2000 Camaro 3.8l T5<br />whisper lid, free ram air mod
well as of right now my suspension setup is bone stock. my plan was to upgrade sway bars first, then shocks and springs, but it sounds like i should do it the other way around
Absolutely right. Racers get the springs about right first, and then the sway bars. And shocks are a good first mod.
BTW, VRacer and I disagree about bars. I believe that a larger front bar doesn't make that much understeer on an fbody, because it compensates for the mediocre camber curve of the front suspension. Because of the live rear axle, a bigger rear bar directly creates oversteer. So, even if you change the front bar stiffness, the rear should change by a smaller degree. Note that a small change in diameter is a big change in stiffness.
I actually agree with V6Bob about 25mm rear bar being too big with stock springs... :) I'm sure a 22mm hollow bar would work better, but the 25mm works well enough for how I've used the Camaro (fun autocrosser and quick track car) that there is no real need to change it. Everything V6Bob said in his last post about the front bar I agree with (see my previous post). I just don't mind having a larger rear sway bar to give more turn-in under braking; the smaller diameter steering wheel, slower ratio turn-one racing powersteering pump, and wide sticky "R-compound" tires help with keeping the Camaro in check when using a large rear antiroll bar on stock springs. I don't feel the larger rear bar on stock springs is unsafe while V6Bob does; that is where we differ.
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