ooooh, you're my hero, not.must have taken that remidial physics class a couple of times to find all that in the book. If the front of the car caint lunge in the air, more weight stays in the font, where it benifits fwd. Deal w/it [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by KBeezy:
As for 10 second Grand Prixs you're comparing L67s to L36s ;) Factory blown vs Factory NA. Show me L36s running 10s and 11s, haha.92 S10 3800 A4(96)<br />1/4: 14.374 @ 92.25 w/ 1.976 60\'<br />Turbo and 12\'s Coming Soon!
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[/qb][/QUOTE]I want to quote this post specificlly. 200HP in a 2300lb car WILL MOST CERTAINLY NOT be slow. SRT4's are perfect examples of this, they have 220HP in a 2800lb car and do low 14's stock w/ an average driver. A 2300 lbs with 200HP will actually do low 13's
http://robrobinette.com/et.htm
Why waste time and money into modding a V6 Fbody? Sure, you might end up with a 12 second car, but after how much money? In the end, you could do a H/C swap on a Z28 and do 11's. Not down playing you guys here, you just have no right to use the logic on "its a waste to modify a Honda" as essentially you're doing the same thing. Face it V6 fbody's aren't performance cars. They exist soley for people who want the look of a performance car, without the performance. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I was about to bring that up myself. He was talking about 200 hp in a 2,300 lb car being slow, when some of ours came with 200 hp and weigh about half a ton more!2000 3.8L Firebird, Silver Metallic<br /><br />\"Yes, London. You know, fish, chips, cup o\' tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary f***in\' Poppins, London!!\"
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Originally posted by KBeezy:
Fact remains, and you cant argue with it. RWD is much more reliable than FWD.92 S10 3800 A4(96)<br />1/4: 14.374 @ 92.25 w/ 1.976 60\'<br />Turbo and 12\'s Coming Soon!
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the fwd setup is a little more complicated than rwd since the front wheels provide power and need to steer the vehicle. enter the cv joint. its relatively fragile typically having a rubber boot holding in the grease. it can be difficult/expensive to make repairs with fwd due to the 'complicated' setup. the differential being a sealed metal box is a little more durable.
oversteer is bad (and quite dangerous). understeer is preferred. its always easier to turn the wheel more than "un-turn" the wheel. go read the suspension forum.
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have fun towing something with front wheel drive... thats so ghey96 Camaro M5. Dark metallic gree (?dont know the offical color name)<br />Home made Intake :: Headers, 3inch headers back to Flowmaster muffler :: spec stage 3 clutch Now installed, waiting for 3.42\'s and LSD next month<br /><a href=\"http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/RiceEatingCamaro/?action=view¤t=newcar.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">My Car</a> <br /><br />Totalled Car.<br /><a href=\"http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/k/sk8er305/\" target=\"_blank\">96 CamaroRS</a>
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Originally posted by Tyler:
have fun towing something with front wheel drive... thats so ghey92 S10 3800 A4(96)<br />1/4: 14.374 @ 92.25 w/ 1.976 60\'<br />Turbo and 12\'s Coming Soon!
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Originally posted by nikon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 3.4 slow to go:
It's obvious that you have very limited fwd experiance
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Originally posted by RedFrk13:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by KBeezy:
Fact remains, and you cant argue with it. RWD is much more reliable than FWD.Mustangs.. Come to the darkside...<br /><br />The dark side is the path to the shadow of greed. =D
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Originally posted by camaro_speedemon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by BirdOfPrey01:
It's obvious that anyone who thinks FWD works with drag racing is a moron. It is just delt with because no other options are avaliable for the type of cars people are modifying.
First of all, modifying a 120 horsepower FWD economy daily driver point A to Point B car is totally a waste of money. Bolt-on's to N/A 4 cylinder car are a huge waste of time and money, anyone want to argue that? How much power can you possible summon from bolting on headers/exhuast/intake upgrades on a 1.6 - 2.4 litre 120-150 horsepower economy engine?
Seriously, if you can gain 50 horsepower, thats great, but for the price you pay is it worth it? A car that weighs 2300 pounds and makes 200 horsepower will still be slow. Your not going to make 13's even low 14's anytime soon thats for sure.
And another note for FWD debate...
I gaurentee that just about 99.999 percent of all Grand Prix GTP owners that modified their car for race, they all wish their car was a RWD platform.
If you can argue that on a performance/race subject, be my guest, be my guest put your bullsh*t to the test [img]smile.gif[/img]
http://robrobinette.com/et.htm
</font>[/QUOTE]Look at the neon srt-4 power band...
It's turbocharged, it makes lots of torque all around.
Do you think a 220 horsepower N/A 4 cylinder 2.4 litre engine VS a turbocharged 220 horsepower 2.4 litre engine will be equal?
Because they wont...
So why does the neon SRT-4 completely blow away the Acura RSX if they only a 10-15 horsepower away from eachother?
Because the neon makes 215+ foot pounds of torque through most of its power band and the Acura RSX struggles to make 145 foot pounds fo torque at 7500+ rpm.
They both roughly weigh around 3000 pounds.
Have you ever seen the turbocharged suzuki swifts?
They are 1500-1700 pounds cars that people push 250+ horsepower through and they make 12 second passes.
Forced induction is the only way to go, but FI on some cars is hopeless.... most honda's, 3rd gen eclipse, and so on [img]smile.gif[/img]
Why waste time and money into modding a V6 Fbody? Sure, you might end up with a 12 second car, but after how much money? In the end, you could do a H/C swap on a Z28 and do 11's. Not down playing you guys here, you just have no right to use the logic on "its a waste to modify a Honda" as essentially you're doing the same thing. Face it V6 fbody's aren't performance cars. They exist soley for people who want the look of a performance car, without the performance.
They make alot of torque under boost and they are not weak by any means.
LS1 F-bodies are not exactly cheap, and if you find a cheap one they are usually beatin up pretty good. Heads and cam swap on an LS1 is by far expensive. And if you blow up your LS1, well you are deffinately in a world of hurt. I don't know about you but the dime a dozen saying doesnt fit the LS1. The average price for a used LS1 "Short" Block is $1500.
I could buy almost 5 or more, 3800 v6 short blocks for that cost.
[ January 17, 2005, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: BirdOfPrey01 ]
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Originally posted by 3.4 slow to go:
ooooh, you're my hero, not.must have taken that remidial physics class a couple of times to find all that in the book. If the front of the car caint lunge in the air, more weight stays in the font, where it benifits fwd. Deal w/it [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/slap.gif[/img]
Please do not attempt to argue that FWD cars launch better than RWD cars... just watch those FWD drag cars, even with giant wheelie bars planting the car on the ground they spin like crazy off the line every time. If you weren't so busy making fun of him for the "remedial physics class", if there is even such a thing, you would realize that is all you need to prove the point he is making.<b><a href=\"http://members.cox.net/95batmobile/d86f.jpg\" target=\"_blank\">Sinister Six©</b></a><br /><a href=\"http://www.sounddomain.com/id/95batmobile\" target=\"_blank\">My \'95 Bird</a><br />I am not afraid of storms, for I am learning how to sail my ship.
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Originally posted by 3.4 slow to go:
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[ January 17, 2005, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: nikon ]
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