200hp 3.4l is it possible without power adder?

[Jim Gunther]

I was unable to jump in on this thread 'til now but, maybe that's a good thing.

Fact is, I'm 'kinda commited to the 60 degree motor and I'd like to get some nice reliable power out of it. Logic tells me that 1 Horsepower per Cubic Inch OUGHT to be pretty easy to attain.

In my application (I'm building a www.StalkerV6.com) I don't have to worry about computer, smog or the rest of that confusing <to me> stuff. I have great headers, I'll probably use the Holley 390 CFM Carb with an Edelbrock manifold ("tho it doesn't LOOK like it could flow properly). Other than that, there appear to be few ways to boost power. Heck, I haven't even seem a bullet-proof Turbo or Supercharger yet.
Maybe somebody knows of reasonable work that can be done to the heads?

[MustangEater8251]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jim Gunther:
I was unable to jump in on this thread 'til now but, maybe that's a good thing.

Fact is, I'm 'kinda commited to the 60 degree motor and I'd like to get some nice reliable power out of it. Logic tells me that 1 Horsepower per Cubic Inch OUGHT to be pretty easy to attain.

In my application (I'm building a www.StalkerV6.com) I don't have to worry about computer, smog or the rest of that confusing &lt;to me&gt; stuff. I have great headers, I'll probably use the Holley 390 CFM Carb with an Edelbrock manifold ("tho it doesn't LOOK like it could flow properly). Other than that, there appear to be few ways to boost power. Heck, I haven't even seem a bullet-proof Turbo or Supercharger yet.
Maybe somebody knows of reasonable work that can be done to the heads?<hr></blockquote>


hehe here is ome stuff you can do...

http://www.rksport.com/prod_detail.p...00&view=detail

go to the v6 section and dig throught eh internal v6 stuff.


Actually you have mroe potential then most of us, since you have no computer, you are running off a distributor that is one of the big problems with cams for 3.4Ls, they run off a sensor, not mechanically by a distributor, like yours is.

A cam will liven up the motor alot, the stock cam is like a truck cam that is for a motor made to pull a boat or something, 160hp, 200 ft. lbs. is a big gap.

Also I think super six still will do 3.4L heads I think someone jsut got some recently.

by the way v6 stalkers, are awesome, guy pulled best time of the day, beating out shifter carts at one autocross I went to awhile back.

[Jim Gunther]

Thanks for the link Eric.

You probably saw Dennis Brunton in the StalkerV6. Dennis is the developer/builder of the Stalker. He's located in Bradenton, FL. He's got over 25,000 pretty hard miles (LOTS of Autocross) in the last 2 years. The Red and Black car is the prototype/mule whatever.
Be well,
Jim

[StudlyCamaro]

yeah i know im late here.. where should i start

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Russell:

i said the ENGINE was akin to a stock 3400 engine. specs wise. the only differences are TWO: cam / headers. thats it. everything else about the 3.4 in my car and the stock GM 3400 are identical. EVERYTHING.<hr></blockquote>


i hear what you are sayin buddy, and i compleetly agree [img]smile.gif[/img]

if you had ported the heads, or put a new cam in.. that would be a diff story..

and to thoes of you who said that russell had spent a lot of money on his car.. umm.. do a search and see how much he spent including paying someone to rebuild the motor.. you might think differently after that [img]tongue.gif[/img]


oh and BTW 200 HP N/A is an obtainable goal for the 3.4L , this thread almost makes me want to run my new motor n/a just so i can prove a point lol

[mattsv6]

hell, if you guys want too see a n/a 3.4 make over 250 too the wheels ill take my turbo kit off and run on a dyno, and i am sure that josh would also like too do this. there are soo many things better with the 3.4 then the 3.8. i love going too the track and seeing all the gay little 3.4 motored cars owning the v8 cars due to consistency. i have seen them go as fast as the 9's and there is no calling bs about that. if the 3.4 is such a bad motor then how did it hold up too the abuse i have thrown at it so far.there is also a raceblock for the 60* motor that is totally bulletproof. idont see one of those for the 3800 series 2 jsut yet. but i think the 3800 is a kickass motor. and why are we arguing about which v6 is better anyways? who cares. we all get flamed by most of the v8 guys because they have 2 more cyllinders and all that crap. stop complaining and talkin crap and go mod your cars. i take credit cards, checks, money orders, and cash. and i canmake your lil six go as fast as you want. [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

[elvis89fb]

well alright now that you have all flamed and burnt each other to crispy, wasting good web space to run each other down, listen to some expert help,
1. i personally know of a 3.4 which is turning 200 hp at the rear and dyno qualified easly also know another 3.4 who is turning 300 hp at the rear also dynoed qualified and have heard there are some out there turning low 9s

2.for those of you who dont know and it seems most are in that catagory 2.8 3.1 3.4 are all v6 60 degrees and all are excellent engines, well tested and raced, when done right but, i bet you didnt know there is also a winston cup race engine 4.2 hybred 60 degree v6, yep i knew you didnt know that. super six is a excellent choice to start with any mod works, talked to them just the other day, and they have some parts that i have on hold that im picking up this week.

3. my v6 4.2 winston cup race engine makes more horse power per cylinder than your v8s, also with 25 to 30 miles to the gallon, any shmo can go and buy a v8 and run it, but it takes real enginering and work and brain power to make a v6 take v8s and spank them and guess what when they want to know what your running, it hurts twice as bad to realize they just got beat by a 6 daily driver.also i might add it dosnt take long to see whose car the crowd at the show is interested in seeing and its not the v8

4. you might check fleugal, i dont think i spelled there mname right, tho maybe one of you guys can help out on the web site and spelling but they make a excellent roots blower, which got its start at b and m products and that was back in the 80s when they were more then just a tranny company, then gm got to looking at the work they had done and started to work with flegual, which resulted in a co-op project the roots blower for the 6s, which now has resulted in a very reliable product that comes custom for your car, with everything you need to make it go, i talked to them a while back

5. now concerning the 390 holly, excellent choice and it works well and flows well, i know because i run it on my car now, however i think we will both find out shortly when i try both the 500 and 600 cfm edlebrock that both of those may in the long run depending on your mods be a better carb choice,
check back with me on that and i will let you know.

iknow you said you were running a edlebrock manifold which one and dont forget that when you are done with all the work add the 75 to 100 shot and set it up as a dry shot [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

[95Batmobile]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by elvis89fb:
well alright now that you have all flamed and burnt each other to crispy, wasting good web space to run each other down, listen to some expert help,
1. i personally know of a 3.4 which is turning 200 hp at the rear and dyno qualified easly also know another 3.4 who is turning 300 hp at the rear also dynoed qualified and have heard there are some out there turning low 9s

2.for those of you who dont know and it seems most are in that catagory 2.8 3.1 3.4 are all v6 60 degrees and all are excellent engines, well tested and raced, when done right but, i bet you didnt know there is also a winston cup race engine 4.2 hybred 60 degree v6, yep i knew you didnt know that. super six is a excellent choice to start with any mod works, talked to them just the other day, and they have some parts that i have on hold that im picking up this week.

3. my v6 4.2 winston cup race engine makes more horse power per cylinder than your v8s, also with 25 to 30 miles to the gallon, any shmo can go and buy a v8 and run it, but it takes real enginering and work and brain power to make a v6 take v8s and spank them and guess what when they want to know what your running, it hurts twice as bad to realize they just got beat by a 6 daily driver.also i might add it dosnt take long to see whose car the crowd at the show is interested in seeing and its not the v8

4. you might check fleugal, i dont think i spelled there mname right, tho maybe one of you guys can help out on the web site and spelling but they make a excellent roots blower, which got its start at b and m products and that was back in the 80s when they were more then just a tranny company, then gm got to looking at the work they had done and started to work with flegual, which resulted in a co-op project the roots blower for the 6s, which now has resulted in a very reliable product that comes custom for your car, with everything you need to make it go, i talked to them a while back

5. now concerning the 390 holly, excellent choice and it works well and flows well, i know because i run it on my car now, however i think we will both find out shortly when i try both the 500 and 600 cfm edlebrock that both of those may in the long run depending on your mods be a better carb choice,
check back with me on that and i will let you know.

iknow you said you were running a edlebrock manifold which one and dont forget that when you are done with all the work add the 75 to 100 shot and set it up as a dry shot [img]graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] <hr></blockquote>

Since you apparently think of yourself as the omniscient god of V6s, you sure don't pay attention to detail when the topic of the post says "possible WITHOUT POWER ADDER".

You are talking about superchargers and NOS when the guy doesn't want a power adder, so basically everything you said was worthless.

And last time I checked, ur v6 that nobody knows about isn't all that "secret"...

Also... heard that v6s are turning low 9s... wow... special. If I had money I could put an LS1 or LS6 in the low 10s n/a...

More hp per cylinder than a V8... special.. do you also drive a Civic by any chance? You sure do sound like a ricer.

Next time try not to come off as such an a55hole in your post, and if you are an a55, at least make sure you're posting something that is answering the topic question.

[elvis89fb]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 95Batmobile:


Since you apparently think of yourself as the omniscient god of V6s, you sure don't pay attention to detail when the topic of the post says "possible WITHOUT POWER ADDER".

You are talking about superchargers and NOS when the guy doesn't want a power adder, so basically everything you said was worthless.

And last time I checked, ur v6 that nobody knows about isn't all that "secret"...

Also... heard that v6s are turning low 9s... wow... special. If I had money I could put an LS1 or LS6 in the low 10s n/a...

More hp per cylinder than a V8... special.. do you also drive a Civic by any chance? You sure do sound like a ricer.

Next time try not to come off as such an a55hole in your post, and if you are an a55, at least make sure you're posting something that is answering the topic question.<hr></blockquote>

this is the problem with this site and other 2nd rate car sites, you are to busy flaming to listen to anything someone has to say,

1. im am by no means the god of anything, but since ihave owned both corvettes 1969 350 350 roadster and a camaro since 1984, i think that working with the v6 for 19 years, pretty much qualifies me as a expert at some thing dont you think,since if you ever read any of the mags, you would know that i also sponsored one of the fastest 2.8 in the usa, but since you know nothing of my quite lenghty background, i will forgive you
this one time

2. i didnt miss the addiage of without power adder and only offered that as a addition if and when he would care to try some more power after everything else,not to mention the quite lenghty other treads discussing other cars with so called supercharger or turbo packages.

3. and if you think everything i said is worthless, than you are ignorant, look any reliable and pert info is good info, the only thing he needs to do, is decide if he wants to use it or not

4. no my little bit of a secret has really been getting alot of attention, you know jealousy dosnt look good on anybody

5 a v6 doing something no one ever thought it could, like low 9s and possibly 8s is certainly special and takes some enginering and real smart, qualified, thought

6 no i dont drive a civic for you personal info, nor am i a ricer , but what i am is educated and have a degree in nuclear enginering, all tho i dont work in the field, who knows maybe next ill put a nuclear pile in the engine compartment and the next time you try to flame me or come up on my car ill just irradiate you, hahahhahahahahahaha, funny

7 and next time you want to speak to me, have a little more respect and use less cuss words, im sure you learned a good comand of the english language, i respect you, you do the same with me, ok, ok

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[Silver98Maro]

Hey, did anyone else notice that pyrokilla, the topic starter, stopped posting not even the middle of the first page of this thread?

his last post was sept 30....almost a month ago

i guess he couldnt find anything else useful in the thread that related to his original question

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[93v6firebird]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Russell:


i didnt say my car was stock - stop being stupid..o wait..thats impossible for you.

i said the ENGINE was akin to a stock 3400 engine. specs wise. the only differences are TWO: cam / headers. thats it. everything else about the 3.4 in my car and the stock GM 3400 are identical. EVERYTHING.

and do everyone a favor, stop sticking your nose in **** you dont know about. getting tired of you thinking you are all superior. the only thing you are is a sophomore.

-R<hr></blockquote>

and all you are is a dead beat fatass that gets a god complex b/c you did a stupid ****ing thing to the engine of your car. When you do something that matters or is significant that someone should care about let me know.
Until then stop trying to force down everyones throat that they should worship you b/c you did something revolutionary to your car. Remember its your car.
Oh by the way Im a junior. And something tells me that if we had start a population reduction policy your worthless *** would be killed before me, so stop all the ****ing bull**** and instead of lifting all those ratchets try lifting some weights.
*******.

[95Batmobile]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by elvis89fb:


this is the problem with this site and other 2nd rate car sites, you are to busy flaming to listen to anything someone has to say,

1. im am by no means the god of anything, but since ihave owned both corvettes 1969 350 350 roadster and a camaro since 1984, i think that working with the v6 for 19 years, pretty much qualifies me as a expert at some thing dont you think,since if you ever read any of the mags, you would know that i also sponsored one of the fastest 2.8 in the usa, but since you know nothing of my quite lenghty background, i will forgive you
this one time

2. i didnt miss the addiage of without power adder and only offered that as a addition if and when he would care to try some more power after everything else,not to mention the quite lenghty other treads discussing other cars with so called supercharger or turbo packages.

3. and if you think everything i said is worthless, than you are ignorant, look any reliable and pert info is good info, the only thing he needs to do, is decide if he wants to use it or not

4. no my little bit of a secret has really been getting alot of attention, you know jealousy dosnt look good on anybody

5 a v6 doing something no one ever thought it could, like low 9s and possibly 8s is certainly special and takes some enginering and real smart, qualified, thought

6 no i dont drive a civic for you personal info, nor am i a ricer , but what i am is educated and have a degree in nuclear enginering, all tho i dont work in the field, who knows maybe next ill put a nulear pile in the engine compartment and the next time you try to flame me or come up on my car ill just irradiate you, hahahhahahahahahaha, funny

7 and next time you want to speak to me, have a little more respect and use less cuss words, im sure you learned a good comand of the english language, i respect you, you do the same with me, ok, ok

[ October 27, 2003: Message edited by: elvis89fb ]<hr></blockquote>

Ok, for your #1: You need to learn 1 word, HUMBLE. There is always somebody smarter than you out there that you can learn from so don't think you are the best at what you do. Been working with V6s for 19 years? That is an accomplishment and all, IF ITS TRUE, but my dad has been working on cars for over 30 years. He's built the motor and trans in 3 championship winning cars this year alone. Get a clue and realize you're not the only talented person out there.

#2 and #3 I can barely understand.

In response to #4: I am not jealous of you at all. I have the fastest n/a 3.4 on this board, only waiting for the damned track to open so I can prove it. 15.4s? No, try 14s.

#5 was just stupid.

#6: If you're a "nuclear engineer" then my mom is a virgin. Learn some grammar first, then try to lie about your profession. And please, get a "nuclear pile" and come "irradiate" me.

And finally #7: I do have a little respect for you, but like I told you in my last post, you come across as an a55hole on here and that is no way to gain respect.
You say you're all smart and whatnot, but if you read your post you didn't help the guy a single bit in getting his car to 200hp. You just flamed like the rest of the people about how fast a V6 can go and what kind of mileage it gets and blah blah blah.
Try not to be an a55 and you will gain the respect of other members... and drop the whole "nuclear engineer" thing too.

[elvis89fb]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by 95Batmobile:


Ok, for your #1: You need to learn 1 word, HUMBLE. There is always somebody smarter than you out there that you can learn from so don't think you are the best at what you do. Been working with V6s for 19 years? That is an accomplishment and all, IF ITS TRUE, but my dad has been working on cars for over 30 years. He's built the motor and trans in 3 championship winning cars this year alone. Get a clue and realize you're not the only talented person out there.

#2 and #3 I can barely understand.

In response to #4: I am not jealous of you at all. I have the fastest n/a 3.4 on this board, only waiting for the damned track to open so I can prove it. 15.4s? No, try 14s.

#5 was just stupid.

#6: If you're a "nuclear engineer" then my mom is a virgin. Learn some grammar first, then try to lie about your profession. And please, get a "nuclear pile" and come "irradiate" me.

And finally #7: I do have a little respect for you, but like I told you in my last post, you come across as an a55hole on here and that is no way to gain respect.
You say you're all smart and whatnot, but if you read your post you didn't help the guy a single bit in getting his car to 200hp. You just flamed like the rest of the people about how fast a V6 can go and what kind of mileage it gets and blah blah blah.
Try not to be an a55 and you will gain the respect of other members... and drop the whole "nuclear engineer" thing too.<hr></blockquote>

1 if you could only read, you would understand, that i am very humble and do understand, that every one can learn something from some one else, your problem is you are way to young to understand another person opinion, or respect it and you seem to carry a real chip on your shoulders for those who may know more and your ignorant to think that i would not tell you or for that matter any one the truth, sorry i dont have to prove it, just base fact the truth and as far as your dad is concerned, (if it is true), he has won 3 championships then good for him , im happy to here it and i know your proud of him, but can you now see how the statement, (if it is true),is so dumb, i have no way of knowing if is or not, but i respect you enough to tell me the truth, as i have told you the truth.and i never said, i was the only talented person here, please dont put words in my mouth that were never spoken, but simply offered that info as backing for my perspective,

2 and 3 you cant understand, they are in direct response to your statements, whats there not to understand

4 in response to this, i can only tell you to refer to your 1 above and listen to your own words , i think you need to be a little more humble, or maybe some of the cars that are out there will let you eat there humble dust, hahahaha
remember there will always be someone better, faster, smarter, richer, as well so grow up

5 if you think 5 is stupid, then you are really young or just to stupid,i hope not stupid

6. yes i have a nuclear degree of enginerring, please dont bring your virgin mother into this, stand on your own two feet and sorry its not my grammar that is bad, but my typing, cant type as well as i should to slow and dont take the time to check it all, now that is something i dont do well, but then thats whats secretarys are for and nuclear pile is a joke my young friend, but with the chip on your shoulder, i dare say, very little makes you laugh.

7. if you would get rid of the chip, you would find that im not a donkey at all but a person with a qualified opinion, one which you do not share and that is your right, now as for respect, im not out to earn anybodys respect, i dont have to, i have already earned the respect from many who have gone much faster than you may ever go and have done it many times before you

this is so stupid, a guy wants answers, i gave a general opinion and in my first response even mentioned all the flaming but i guess you couldnt or didnt read that, if he wants more info on my respose, he will contact me and i can tell him how to make more horsepower than he thought possible, i said this entire conversation was stupid and uncalled for, however i beleave that you are either part of the problem or part of the solution so i have taken it upon myself to be part of the solution and to spend the time explaining things to you, things that i dont have to explain, in an attempt and hope that you will learn and grow.

[93v6firebird]

we do have a rocket scientist on the board, he's from somewhere in the southwest.

[elvis89fb]

kool i bet his ride flys

[93v6firebird]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by elvis89fb:
kool i bet his ride flys<hr></blockquote>
youre a ****in tool go to hell.