Socialism at Work!

[RPDRed6]

one of my good friends forwarded this to me:

Socialism at work...
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had once failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that.

[Mogobs30th]

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one of my good friends forwarded this to me:

Socialism at work...
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before,
but had once failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK,
we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D!
No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

The scores never increased as bickering,
blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that.

Dumbest thing uttered, not to mention flawed. They have NO reason to study if they are happy with mediocracy. If you take no pride in what you are doing, you should be eliminated from the whole alltogether. If you would have given them a reason to take pride in what they are doing, they would have managed to work together for a better overall grade in general.

[Mighty Thor]

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Yeah, it's interesting how things are turning out. There really is a stark difference between Dems. and Reps.

Most of the members here, which are for the most part are young, only have experienced the Rep. party in the house. It's a good experience to see what it's like to have a Dem. party in the house.

Eventhough I tend to vote Rep. I will give Pres. Obama 3 more years.






The only major thing I am ticked off is the media. I wish they stop giving him this celebrity status and his wife and start reporting the real news. In other words, the honeymoon is over.

[tkoforpresident]

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I, like the mighty Thor am also sick of the "GlowBama"

He's giving us socialism and we are too dumb to realize thats what we are being spoon fed.

For what it's worth the OP's quote is legit no matter how much you argue it mogobs.

Even the puritans had difficulty not becoming lethargic and indolent when john edwards introduced a socialist agricultural plan to the community and THEY had all the motivation they needed considering they were starving and living for God.

[Mogobs30th]

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I, like the mighty Thor am also sick of the "GlowBama"

He's giving us socialism and we are too dumb to realize thats what we are being spoon fed.

For what it's worth the OP's quote is legit no matter how much you argue it mogobs.

Even the puritans had difficulty not becoming lethargic and indolent when john edwards introduced a socialist agricultural plan to the community and THEY had all the motivation they needed considering they were starving and living for God.

Then they were lazy. Its that simple. If everyone was instilled with the power to change themselves as well as one another, the WHOLE concept proposed here would be obsolete. Its no different than working as a team. So the OP quote isn't as legit as you think, if you give the people a REASON to want to work for the greater good. The whole quote is basically a bunch of college kids too dumb to figure out that if they were to work together, then they could have gotten a better grade. But even with socialism, I don't understand why the professor would not have given them an A if EVERYONE studied hard and gotten an A on the tests. Seems like in a real life scenario, the whole thing was rigged to begin with. The professor basically stacked the deck against them from the start, and while they couldn't get an A, they basically started to fall apart. The class as a whole had no central leadership to begin with, which led to the name-calling and finger pointing when the grades came out, instead of them all working together. Not to mention, it said in the beginning that NO ONE WOULD FAIL, OR RECEIVE AN A, but they all managed to fail? The whole quote makes no sense. Again, since I have proven my point to you yet again Max, Im sure you have some rebuttle? Im guessing not.

You're laboring on the impression that the American society is too dumb to make a conscience decision on who to elect. You think everyone that voted for Obama was star struck or something. We're not morons. I made a decision to vote for him based upon what he could deliver and what his ideas were. You're too quick to judge based on the fact that he cannot get started on what he really wanted to do. I think everyone that can vote should know from the start that no matter who we elect, we should know that whatever campaign promises are made aren't always going to see the light of day. A president, or prime minister, or whoever is leading the country must understand, as well as its constituents, that in this day of age, you can't simply put some things aside. There will be matters that will take effect that must be resolved before all others, even when it conflicts with campaign promises.

Did I miss anything?

[venom3300]

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the average american does NOT research their candidate, and does NOT make a wise decision. most fell for him because he is a smooth talker. in car terms his speeches go something like this:

The new mustang will be better than the Camaro. It will become the top pony car once more! We have people working on every part of it. It will have a superior engine, transmition, and suspension.

notice it is never said how the engine will be better, if it will have more power or fuel economy. same for the transmission and suspension. obama's speeches are the same ways. he says we can do and we will do.... but fails to say HOW we will do it.

he spends money that is not ours. he puts our defendants in debt so that we may live better..... it use to be the other way around in america.... we put our descendants in a position to have more than we ever did.

everyone cannot be the same socially. someone has to mop the floor at Mc Ds and someone has to operate on brains. the lazy will be at the bottom, the hard working at the top..... these are the principles america was founded on, and on which our constitution was written, and if we wish to survive, the ones we will stick to.

in the 1930s big govt spending didnt help the economy... the govt ran out of jobs and money. WWII gave us manufacturing jobs to create wealth to restore jobs. thtat is what we need now-manufacturing.

[flamingchicken]

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Then they were lazy. Its that simple. If everyone was instilled with the power to change themselves as well as one another, the WHOLE concept proposed here would be obsolete.

you are basing your whole concept on an IF, everything you stated is all based upon everyone trying harder and doing a good job, and all that mamajama! But therein lies the problem. It is human nature to want to get free stuff and get paid to do nothing. I cant tell you how many kids i have managed that just wanna come to work and sit on the clock, god forbid you ask them to do work.

And whether you admit it or not, If you won the damn lottery you cant tell me for one second that you would keep working construction "just cause i have good work ethic.(just a senario, the same thing you typed, and the op typed)" you would find something really easy just to keep you busy.

Im not trying to change your opinion, its your right to have one, but i have this to say...

Again, since I have proven my point to you yet again Max, Im sure you have some rebuttle? Im guessing not.

your point is pointless.

[T-Mill]

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The problems with your reasoning Mogobs, is... even if over half of the class (the majority) did decide to work hard and study hard to improve their grade, the rest of the class (the minority) who doesn't give a **** about their grade won't work and they'll receive a better grade than they deserve, and those who worked their *** off won't get as high as they deserve... even if nothing changes, and the hard-working continue to work hard, and the lazy students continue to be lazy, the situation still sucks for those who work hard... you're rewarding those who don't deserve better, and punishing those who do deserve better... you're never going to be able to convince EVERYONE to work hard, so you're always going to have some who should fail, but under socialism, they won't fail, they'll pass, while bringing down those who work hard...

Capitalism has it's flaws, but, in a broad sense, at least it's goal is to reward those who make good decisions, and not reward those who make poor decisions...

Socialism in a broad sense, rewards people for making poor decisions (AIG) and punishes those who make good decisions (small business owners and the rich)


Also, in the class, even if everyone left the class with a C, and graduate with a C average, how is a company to determine who they should hire if every applicant has a C average, even though some barely went to class at all... no matter how you look at it, it ultimately punishes those who deserve the wealth...

The ideology is severely flawed, and everyone who is successful in this country, owes it to Capitalism

[Mogobs30th]

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the average american does NOT research their candidate, and does NOT make a wise decision. most fell for him because he is a smooth talker.

Prove it.

everyone cannot be the same socially. someone has to mop the floor at Mc Ds and someone has to operate on brains. the lazy will be at the bottom, the hard working at the top..... these are the principles america was founded on, and on which our constitution was written, and if we wish to survive, the ones we will stick to.

Of course we all can't be the same socially. Im talking about taking a more socialistic point of view, not full blown communism. I don't agree with communism as much as I don't agree with pure capitalism. And might I also remind you, as an AVID reader of the American revolution and the years to follow, our economic principles were never stated in the constitution, nor were they ever to be. I put in bold a statement you made, and although it is great in theory, this statement has been FAR from the truth for a few decades now.

thtat is what we need now-manufacturing.

The only smart thing you have said.

It is human nature to want to get free stuff and get paid to do nothing. I cant tell you how many kids i have managed that just wanna come to work and sit on the clock, god forbid you ask them to do work.

I don't know where you work, but that is complete BULL****. We have 18,000 electricians that all get paid the same depending on their job, and 95% of them work just as hard as the next, because they take pride in knowing they are the best. Whatever job you have SUCKS, and for whatever reason your "employees" have to not work, Im sure its a good one. Might I ask, where did you or do you manage? If you say fast food, Im going to laugh.

And whether you admit it or not, If you won the damn lottery you cant tell me for one second that you would keep working construction "just cause i have good work ethic.(just a senario, the same thing you typed, and the op typed)" you would find something really easy just to keep you busy.

I don't play the lottery, its a waste of money. But if I were to win that kind of money, I would probably do something useful with it, not spend it on worthless material possessions. I could have my own union electrical company, which is my end goal really. But your scenario is far more unlikely than either of the two stated by either the OP or me, so I put no faith in it.

your point is pointless.

You have yet to prove that young one.

[T-Mill]

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What is my motivation to work my *** off through college just to graduate, obtain a very challenging job, and have my tax rate be something like 78%... which is not far off from where it could be if Obama's policies make it through congress

[Mogobs30th]

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The problems with your reasoning Mogobs, is... even if over half of the class (the majority) did decide to work hard and study hard to improve their grade, the rest of the class (the minority) who doesn't give a **** about their grade won't work and they'll receive a better grade than they deserve, and those who worked their *** off won't get as high as they deserve... even if nothing changes, and the hard-working continue to work hard, and the lazy students continue to be lazy, the situation still sucks for those who work hard... you're rewarding those who don't deserve better, and punishing those who do deserve better... you're never going to be able to convince EVERYONE to work hard, so you're always going to have some who should fail, but under socialism, they won't fail, they'll pass, while bringing down those who work hard...

Capitalism has it's flaws, but, in a broad sense, at least it's goal is to reward those who make good decisions, and not reward those who make poor decisions...

Socialism in a broad sense, rewards people for making poor decisions (AIG) and punishes those who make good decisions (small business owners and the rich)


Also, in the class, even if everyone left the class with a C, and graduate with a C average, how is a company to determine who they should hire if every applicant has a C average, even though some barely went to class at all... no matter how you look at it, it ultimately punishes those who deserve the wealth...

The ideology is severely flawed, and everyone who is successful in this country, owes it to Capitalism

I understand what you are trying to say, you've made the best point in disproving me so far, I commend you for that. But I also dont go down without a fight, so here goes....

If everyone had a C average, the best thing a company can do is just pick up the one they think is the best due to how they would react on an individual basis to certain scenarios. You hire that individual, and if it doesn't work out, then fire them. Again, you're mistaking my socialistic point of view with communism, and thats not what Im trying to say. My union hires and fires just like anyone else in the free world. We all get paid the same, but if you're a lazy ***, and everyone see's you're lazy, then out the door you go. They go down to the union hall, sign the books, and sit with NO unemployment or subpay until they get picked up. It should be the same concept in everyday life; if you're lazy, then there shouldn't be a consolation prize for you, you just don't deserve to work. The problem with the capitalistic point of view mixed with the socialist point of view in this country is that if you're lazy, you get the same reward as everyone else, OR, you might not get paid the same. There is no consequence to it. But this is a concept that EVERYONE has identified so far. If you were to make it to where there is a real threat of not living well, then there would be a reason to work harder. Its the single flaw with welfare, the lazy can sit around, pop out kids, and deal with it. BUT, at the same time, you can't eliminate a program that can be useful to a few good people that are just down on their luck.

I agree that capitalism in theory is a good thing, but human instinct for more than the person next to you, known as greed, kills it. And we have let greed run rampant in this country, leaving every major corporation within a **** hair of exploiting Americans for a few extra dollars. The thing is, it isn't the people that worked hard that are rich, its the ones that were smart enough to find the loopholes in the system that are. There are ALOT of lazy people, with a C average in school that managed to become powerful people, I believe our last president was one of them. Anyone care to explain that?

[Mogobs30th]

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What is my motivation to work my *** off through college just to graduate, obtain a very challenging job, and have my tax rate be something like 78%... which is not far off from where it could be if Obama's policies make it through congress

78%?? Cmon....lets be real. 78% is exaggeration at its best. Exaggeration by one fuels stupidity and fear in others, which is how the rep. party has been running for years. Please don't fuel it.

[venom3300]

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Prove it.

I put in bold a statement you made, and although it is great in theory, this statement has been FAR from the truth for a few decades now.

prove it- look around u

that is the problem now, for the last few decades, we have differed from our founding principles... now we are paying the price.

i have no desire for my rewards to be based on a groups performance. if that is what you want, then go to canada.......

[venom3300]

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78%?? Cmon....lets be real. 78% is exaggeration at its best. Exaggeration by one fuels stupidity and fear in others, which is how the rep. party has been running for years. Please don't fuel it.

no he is right. it was 80% in switzerland until recently

[Mogobs30th]

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no he is right. it was 80% in switzerland until recently

Since when was Switzerland a part of the US?

that is the problem now, for the last few decades, we have differed from our founding principles... now we are paying the price.

And those princples would be what? Care to explain in detail?