Socialism at Work!

[Mogobs30th]

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This reminds me of a technique that teachers sometimes use in the classroom called "cooperative learning", where students are put into a group to do a project. Sometimes, the end result is one person doing most (or all) of the work while the others watch.

This only shows ineffective leadership.

[Shirl]

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This only shows ineffective leadership.

Which is exactly what we are seeing with the socialistic approach. It's become "acceptable" on all levels. There is no incentive to do better at anything if we are only going to be a nation of "equals".

[Mogobs30th]

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your not understanding

the only currency should be gold, silver, or a note backed by one of those (as ours use to be). this would keep us from printing money out of thin air. how? because if people think the government is printing too much, they go cash in their paper money for gold/silver. if the gov't cant pay up then they will have no choice but to stop printing.

PS- the treasury doesnt make money... the federal reserve does (which is a foreign body, not owned by our govt)

Won't work in a global economy, which you capitalists so love. Backing our money with a precious metal would end us in the global scheme of things. So unless you plan on never exporting or importing anything, the gold standard wouldn't work anymore.

BTW, the Treasury does make our money, the Federal reserve is the central bank for all the US banking companies, and regulates said private banks. It is not a foreign body in the sense, it is privately run, but under govt control and regulation.

[Mogobs30th]

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Which is exactly what we are seeing with our new administration. It's become "acceptable" on all levels.

Again, its no different compared to the old administration.

[venom3300]

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Won't work in a global economy, which you capitalists so love. Backing our money with a precious metal would end us in the global scheme of things. So unless you plan on never exporting or importing anything, the gold standard wouldn't work anymore.

why wouldnt it work now? all the gold standard does is keep the value of money stable.

and there is no love lost between me and the world market. i think we would be better off if we were self supporting, and didnt rely on other countries. our country is bid enough, and has enough natural resources for to be self sufficient.

[Mogobs30th]

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why wouldnt it work now? all the gold standard does is keep the value of money stable.

and there is no love lost between me and the world market. i think we would be better off if we were self supporting, and didnt rely on other countries. our country is bid enough, and has enough natural resources for to be self sufficient.

You have no argument from me on that one. I have always been supportive of an isolationist lifestyle, but then again, it completely contradicts the core ideals of capitalism. By limiting capitalism with the use of isolationism, you in turn have effectively promoted a socialistic point of view. Care to think about your answer again??

[T-Mill]

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employees were once responsible for health care and retirement until the government created these programs... and why can't people afford it? My sister works for Lowe's fulltime, and has a 401k and health insurance... I think she's making something like $12 an hour... Employers offer these things as incentives to make employees want to work there, and if people want to work there, then they can pick and choose the best candidates for employment... they don't offer them because of some moral obligation... they are called benefits, not rights... my parents are by FAR not rich, but they have retirement plans and health insurance in our current system... we don't need all this government control...

[venom3300]

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You have no argument from me on that one. I have always been supportive of an isolationist lifestyle, but then again, it completely contradicts the core ideals of capitalism. By limiting capitalism with the use of isolationism, you in turn have effectively promoted a socialistic point of view. Care to think about your answer again??

no i dont care to.

the companies still compete against one another, but inside our borders. thus it keeps prices reasonable and the employment rate high.

as a society, we are better off, but without the government taking out high taxes.

[Mogobs30th]

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no i dont care to.

the companies still compete against one another, but inside our borders. thus it keeps prices reasonable and the employment rate high.

as a society, we are better off, but without the government taking out high taxes.

Thats not capitalism, thats socialism. You've just contradicted everything you've said in this whole post. If at the very least you're going to argue, learn your convictions well. You sir have failed.:twak:

[venom3300]

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Thats not capitalism, thats socialism. You've just contradicted everything you've said in this whole post. If at the very least you're going to argue, learn your convictions well. You sir have failed.:twak:

umm hellow... isolationism was around a lonnnng time before socialism was thought of, its a capitalist idea :poke:

[Mogobs30th]

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employees were once responsible for health care and retirement until the government created these programs... and why can't people afford it? My sister works for Lowe's fulltime, and has a 401k and health insurance... I think she's making something like $12 an hour... Employers offer these things as incentives to make employees want to work there, and if people want to work there, then they can pick and choose the best candidates for employment... they don't offer them because of some moral obligation... they are called benefits, not rights... my parents are by FAR not rich, but they have retirement plans and health insurance in our current system... we don't need all this government control...

And why is that? Why did they create such programs? Is it possible that an 8 year old is capable of conducting such complicated issues, such as healthcare and retirement? Because when these programs were introduced, most factories were finally being clamped down on such things as child labor. If it wasn't for socialistic issues brought up by hard working individuals in unions and such, the 40 hour work week, health care, the weekend, overtime, vacations, and retirement would be NON-EXISTENT!!!

And lemme get this perfectly straight before you respond, you think health care is a benefit of an American and not a right? So its a benefit to be healthy? So you think that someone that contracted cancer from the very water supply that has been intoxicated by a company from the lack of govt regulation should only be cured if he is acceptable of being cured? What about the working poor? Are they not worth helping? Just because they do some menial labor they don't deserve the same health care as the next person? Honestly, what kind of F*CKED mentality is that? You think if these benefits weren't offered, that we wouldn't already have a national health care system? It takes a person who has lived as working poor to understand such concepts. Its obvious you've been spoiled with your life, or you would have greater concern for those strangers around you to say such things. I can say with full honesty that if you are a legal citizen of this country, you should have full rights to health care. I voted for that, Im HOPING for it. No one had to lead me anywhere for that.

[Mogobs30th]

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umm hellow... isolationism was around a lonnnng time before socialism was thought of, its a capitalist idea :poke:

Tell that to North Korea, I don't think they got the memo. And isolationism is a concept predating capitalism, starting with China and other countries around the 14th century, but the two aren't ideas encapsulating either one another.

You won't find many countries that are capitalistic and isolationists. Switzerland is one of few. But the capitalism and socialism can essentially be used with both isolationism, but pure capitalism cannot be used in an isolationist point of view, while socialism and communism can, as seen by what I referred to earlier, North Korea.

So you're getting a little closer, but still failing.

[venom3300]

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Tell that to North Korea, I don't think they got the memo. And isolationism is a concept predating capitalism, starting with China and other countries around the 14th century, but the two aren't ideas encapsulating either one another.

You won't find many countries that are capitalistic and isolationists. Switzerland is one of few. But the capitalism and socialism can essentially be used with both isolationism, but pure capitalism cannot be used in an isolationist point of view, while socialism and communism can, as seen by what I referred to earlier, North Korea.

So you're getting a little closer, but still failing.

pre WWII we were both capitalist and isolationist.

isolationism can be used with either

im going to bed... good night sir lol

[Mogobs30th]

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pre WWII we were both capitalist and isolationist.

isolationism can be used with either

im going to bed... good night sir lol

And we couldn't remain both because of our economic status due to capitalism. We were dragged into everything because we were a world power, all due to capitalism.

Still failing.....

[T-Mill]

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If you don't have an argument, don't resort to criticizing the person you're arguing with... I've been working since I was 15... I do NOT come from a rich family... my parents each make less than 35k a year and the company my dad worked for for 34 years just went under... The only reason I know anything about cars is out of necessity bc my first car was an 89 Cavalier that broke down twice a week, and we couldn't afford to pay to have it fixed... I may be only 23, but I've worked constantly for 8 years now, for the first 3 years of college I held 3 jobs and worked over 50 hours a week... I'm NOT spoiled and I don't understand why you would have to say that to try and make a point... it reminds me of the whole "Joe the plumber" Dems couldn't rebuke what he had to say so they just resorted to defaming him and ridiculing him to try and discredit him...

I'm not offended, bc you don't know anything about me, but after all of the hard work I've done, and all the hard work my parents had to do while raising me... it's dissappointing for me to hear someone say that... just to make a point in an argument... lol

and just a head's up... labor laws are a result of government protecting individual rights, which is government's main role as dictated by the constitution... socialist states are the ones that don't have these laws... child labor, overtime, paid vacation... NOT socialist ideology... YOU are WRONG

the US already has the BEST healthcare system in the world... just look at the countries who have adopted state-run healthcare... not ideal systems... we DO need healthcare reform, but not a nationally-run option